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Old 07-03-2013, 04:19 PM   #4486
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It's been pretty obvious to me since I learned the facts of this case that Zimmerman is in all likelihood is going to be acquitted of Murder 2. The state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin out of self defense.

Zimmerman could be acquittal on Murder 2 and a conviction on Manslaughter, it's considered what they call a lesser, included charge. The difference would be Zimmerman's state of mind.

Also Zimmerman has to meet a standard not just use of force, but a standard of deadly force. And that force has to be reasonable. You kick me in the shin and I punch you, that's probably a reasonable use of force in self-defense.

You kick me in the shin and I jump on top of you and pound away at you for 2 minutes, that is not reasonable use of non-deadly force in self-defense.

You kick me in the shin and I shoot you that is an illegitimate use of deadly force in self-defense.

Zimmerman is by no means out of the woods. I think Murder 2 is unlikely at this point.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:25 PM   #4487
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You can check Florida laws here.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...0776/0776.html

Since Zimmerman used deadly force, he has to show that deadly force was reasonable at the time he used it. He doesn't get to decide reasonable. That is up to the jury, I believe.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:26 PM   #4488
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The reason the prosecution wanted to establish the fact that Zimmerman didn't have severe injuries is because they are going to argue that shooting Martin was not a reasonable use of deadly force and that is why I think he should be convicted of manslaughter.

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Old 07-03-2013, 04:27 PM   #4489
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yes reasonable force .. if you decide to bash someone's head on concrete and then after doing that, you continue trying to hit them on the head .. that's attempted murder(whether legally accepted as that or not it is) .. if you get shot, that's 'reasonable force' imo
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:29 PM   #4490
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300 pages on this?? WTF
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:29 PM   #4491
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:30 PM   #4492
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The reason the prosecution wanted to establish the fact that Zimmerman didn't have severe injuries all go to point of reasonable use of deadly force and that is why I think he should be convicted of manslaughter.

he shouldn't be convicted of anything imo .. the purpose of having the right of self defense is to avoid being killed or seriously injured ..

what is the point of requiring that you wait to have your skull bashed in and in a coma before you defend yourself ?
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:30 PM   #4493
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Reasonable force: one round fired to get your attacker off of you
Unreasonable force: emptying your clip, continuing to shoot after he's off of you and stopped attacking you
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:34 PM   #4494
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not sure if they're going to but what is the purpose of having tm's mother testify ? .. she has no knowledge about what happened that night .. she's not a witness .. and her opinion about his voice is meaningless .. there is absolutely no reason for her to be testifying other than to play on the jury's emotions .. if this is allowed, then we know the judge is blatantly trying to get gz convicted
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not sure if they're going to but what is the purpose of having tm's mother testify ? .. she has no knowledge about what happened that night .. she's not a witness .. and her opinion about his voice is meaningless .. there is absolutely no reason for her to be testifying other than to play on the jury's emotions .. if this is allowed, then we know the judge is blatantly trying to get gz convicted

I believe that 5 of the 6 jurors are mothers. Hearing a mother testify that she believes it's the voice of her son will probably resonate strongly with the jury. An appeal to emotion, of course, not science or logic.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:42 PM   #4496
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I believe that 5 of the 6 jurors are mothers. Hearing a mother testify that she believes it's the voice of her son will probably resonate strongly with the jury. An appeal to emotion, of course, not science or logic.

oooh true .. forgot about the jury makeup .. this is totally unacceptable .. the jury should hear facts and evidence of the case and nothing else .. if she is allowed to testify, something is up and that **** on the bench needs to be removed(won't happen I know)
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:49 PM   #4497
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The witness confirmed that Z wasn't taught about SYG. As for your point though, so? I got an A in modern physics, but I sure don't remember how to solve a particle in a box problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin...190623184.html
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A professor at Seminole County College who taught a criminal justice course testified that he often talked about the state's self-defense law in his class, in which Zimmerman, an aspiring police officer, was an A student in 2010.

As Orlando Sentinel reporter Rene Stutzman put it to Orlando’s Fox 35 news station on Wednesday, it is meant to illuminate whether Zimmerman had the “wherewithal to put together a story that might exempt him from prosecution.”

This guy would have gotten off totally by his knowledge of the law. Its the only reason he wasn't arrested for a month and then some. If it wasn't for Sharpton, he probably never gets arrested.

As to you not knowing Physics and getting an A in it:

Zim took it within two years of the shooting.
Zim had a career interest in the field.
Zim's lies are more in sync with legal exoneration than the reality we are sensing from witnesses, evidence and circumstances. To say he's a prolific liar would be an understatement.

Now if you are physicist right now and took the class recently and you couldn't solve a simple equation - then you are making a point... but moreso about how quickly you can't retain basic info.
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lol definitely a troll job

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Old 07-03-2013, 05:51 PM   #4499
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yes reasonable force .. if you decide to bash someone's head on concrete and then after doing that, you continue trying to hit them on the head .. that's attempted murder(whether legally accepted as that or not it is) .. if you get shot, that's 'reasonable force' imo

I agree with your hypothetical. However, I don't think your hypothetical is what happened in this case. The jury is going to have buy Zimmerman's story as you have. However, just looking over at google news, I see these headlines

No Zimmerman DNA under Martin's fingernails: Expert witness
Expert testifies no Martin DNA on gun grip in Zimmerman trial
Zimmerman's DNA found on gun, not Martin's, expert testifies


Which makes me the think the jury has ample reason to doubt Zimmerman's story. Since Martin's hands were found under his body, I think that no dna on his was found under his fingernails would be pretty significant. Also Zimmerman told his best friend that Martin grabbed at his gun and held it "between the grip and hammer."
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:40 PM   #4500
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The reason the prosecution wanted to establish the fact that Zimmerman didn't have severe injuries is because they are going to argue that shooting Martin was not a reasonable use of deadly force and that is why I think he should be convicted of manslaughter.

I think the whole self-defense argument is bullshit because Zimmerman was following Martin. Think about it. How can you argue GZ was in danger/fear of his life when he was the one originally creeping up on TM with a gun following a teenager with no gun/weapon?! Shouldn't it have been the other way around? GZ is packing the gun, following TM, and now TM is dead, because GZ was defending himself, even though TM had no gun on him, no weapon whatsoever in fact, and TM wasn't following or stalking up on anyone - he was the one being stalked, creep'd up on, and followed by Zimmerman. If you want to think about all this logically, it seems more like a premeditated case of murder.
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