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Old 07-05-2013, 03:40 PM   #4591
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The legal term "beyond a reasonable doubt" was made popular by Johnny Cocochran in his OJ case. Its a legal term that is applicable when the key elements are not definite (if who, what, when, where and how are answered the burden of proof is alleviated). The burdens of proof still has to be up to par but not under the same level of proof (at the highest level in all situations as you infer). I don't know if any legal system has the resources to go for the highest burden of proof in every situation for the defense.

While I'd admit that Florida has some incredibly stupid legal expenditures they just might be the only ones who go this far. You speak like you are the law.

In self defense cases isn't the onus on the defendant to prove that the action taken was in fact self defense? I mean....can I simply kill someone....and if they can't prove that it wasn't self defense - go free?
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:41 PM   #4592
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How exactly did GZ initiate the violent encounter? By following him? Shouldn't violent encounters be started by actual violence? And even so, we don't know who started the violence, but based on the trial, it seems to me like that perpetrator was Martin.

You're going to be pretty upset when GZ walks, aren't you? The prosecution has no case.

What is the evidence that he did not initiate the encounter? He disobeyed police orders and proceeded to follow him. After that are there any witnesses other than Zimmerman himself?
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:43 PM   #4593
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Does this portion count as an immunity hearing? I doubt the judge would let the proceedings get this far just to let it die at this point.

no no .. this is separate .. this is just a motion the defense is allowed to enter after the prosecution ends their case .. basically, after the prosectution is done with their case, the defense gets to ask the judge 'hey the didn't prove their case .. we're asking you to drop the case now'
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:54 PM   #4594
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Correct. Arguing that no defense is needed because State didn't prove their case. It will be denied.


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ifthey are asking just fir m2 to be set aside, they have abetted chance

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Old 07-05-2013, 03:55 PM   #4595
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Lol@ GZ's attorney..."ill will spite and hatetrait"

No, Zimmerman wasn't a angry wife, he wasn't a rival gang member...but wat he obviously has spite towards is black men. He seen a black, and assumed the worst...
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:59 PM   #4596
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:02 PM   #4597
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Lol@ GZ's attorney..."ill will spite and hatetrait"

No, Zimmerman wasn't a angry wife, he wasn't a rival gang member...but wat he obviously has spite towards is black men. He seen a black, and assumed the worst...

na .. he saw a drugged up, suspicious looking guy roaming around aimlessly, looking into windows .. given the rash of breakins they had been having, it's perfectly understandable to be suspicious in that scenario
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:20 PM   #4598
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Mantei throwing down the gauntlet. Great to see the state put their argument together instead of just going through it academically.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:23 PM   #4599
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Well if you are ever walking home from the store at 7 PM, minding your own business and some grown weirdo with a history of violence and child molestation playing cops and robbers chases you through the neighborhood and shoots you in the heart, we'll know who to blame.

You no good thug you

Wow, I didn't even know/realize Zimmerman had a prior charge on his record of child molestation.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:25 PM   #4600
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Wow, I didn't even know/realize Zimmerman had a prior charge on his record of child molestation.

Molested his cousin, his own family member, for years
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:39 PM   #4601
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anyone? you guys don't seem too confident

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people actually think there's going to be a murder conviction?

don/point/dictator i will avy/ban bet you anything there will be no murder conviction... no chance
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:47 PM   #4602
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no no .. this is separate .. this is just a motion the defense is allowed to enter after the prosecution ends their case .. basically, after the prosectution is done with their case, the defense gets to ask the judge 'hey the didn't prove their case .. we're asking you to drop the case now'



That is routine though, every defense attorney does that. Hell, Jodi Ariases attorney did it, though Juan Martinez clearly won the case in the first two days.
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na .. he saw a drugged up, suspicious looking guy roaming around aimlessly, looking into windows .. given the rash of breakins they had been having, it's perfectly understandable to be suspicious in that scenario



So easy to flip everything on those that can't be the least bit impartial.

Such as DonDadda claiming a part of Zimmerman's master plan was to lie about his weight.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #4603
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BAM. DENIED.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:57 PM   #4605
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BAM. DENIED.


Defense teams always do this and they're usually denied. Calm down, buddy.
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