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Old 07-12-2013, 05:59 AM   #5566
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Oho, someone's a genius. Honestly you think that that means that he was intending to kill him? Are you ****ing serious?

Why are you putting words into my mouth and then asking me about them?
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Old 07-12-2013, 07:28 AM   #5567
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NO .. we need more people like gz .. go tell that lady who testified about having a couple lowlives breaking into her house and terrorizing her that he shouldn't be crime watching .. if our neighborhoods were full of gzs .. crime would plummet because dipshits looking to sneak into these communities would think twice before trying it

No, we don't need reckless morons like Zim trying to play vigilante. What if Zimmerman chased after an actual criminal who happened to be carrying a weapon, and they got into a shootout where innocent people ended up getting injured/killed? What if that person took hostages? Would that make you happy? It goes beyond just Zim putting himself into danger. There's a reason why neighborhood watch guidelines and neighborhood watch meetings tell you not to go after suspicious individuals. There's a reason why the dispatcher told him to not follow TM. There's a reason why there's cops and why they go through training. There's a reason they don't want wannabee cops taking the law into their own hands and trying to play Batman.

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dr. phil is horrible .. he argues how gz was following him .. then turns around and say 'hey but that wasn't a crime' fkn idiot lol .. I can't wait for O'Mara's closing statement .. he's gonna own these amateurs

He did well in parts, but poorly in other parts. The biggest complaint against him was that he didn't offer an alternate theory as to what happened that night and instead asked questions, which is what the defense does. It seems like he knew Murder 2 was unlikely so he went about it differently. I'm not sure what he was thinking on some things. "Skittles that he didn't even steal from 7-11." Seems like an odd comment to me.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:37 AM   #5568
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Thankfully we don't have vigilante justice in this country and adhere to lynch mob mentality.

And yet, you don't mind Zimmerman trying to carry out 'vigilante justice'.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:48 AM   #5569
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And yet, you don't mind Zimmerman trying to carry out 'vigilante justice'.

Observing somebody from a distance who you believe is suspicious and reporting them to the authorities is not illegal and isn't "trying to carry out vigilante justice." Nor is shooting somebody in self defense illegal or "trying to carry out vigilante justice."
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:51 AM   #5570
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O'mara is discouraging the jury from finding Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter as a "compromise" between murder 2 and innocent. Clever.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:56 AM   #5571
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O'mara is discouraging the jury from finding Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter as a "compromise" between murder 2 and innocent. Clever.

damn it .. i wanted to see how he started it .. what were his first words ?
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:04 AM   #5572
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damn it .. i wanted to see how he started it .. what were his first words ?

O'Mara pretty much said ignore the biased media, speculations and emotional appeals, just use some common sense. He's set them up to convince them to look only at hard evidence and testimony and jury instructions.


If he's not guilty of murder 2 because it was self defense, then he's not guilty of man's slaughter for the same reason.

There is no illegal justified use of force.
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:08 AM   #5573
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Emphasizing that proof "beyond reasonable doubt" is a very high standard of proof on the state.

"Americans since the beginning have stood against the State’s power to imprison citizens at a State officer’s whim. This is why the Constitution requires proof of all elements of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt, what the Founders called “to a moral certainty.” Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest burden in the law, requiring that the State eliminate all reasonable alternatives to their story of the case."

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powerful silence tactic by O'Mara .. stopping his closing argument for 4 minutes in silence then he said 'that's how much time passed when tm ran away' .. WAY too much reasonable doubt going on .. tm had about 4 minutes to get away' .. what was he doing for 4 minutes ? .. he lost gz in those 4 minutes but didn't go home and didn't call for help .. instead he stayed on the phone with precious .. definitely sounds like someone who's scared

tm wasn't in fear of gz .. racist lil tray tray was annoyed by the 'creepy ass cracka' and was gonna teach him a lesson .. that's why he didn't go home or call for help .. if you're in fear as they say he was .. he would be hauling ass back into his place and locking the door and/or calling for help .. not staying on the phone with precious and not hanging around for 4 minutes outside after he lost gz

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Old 07-12-2013, 10:07 AM   #5575
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Prosecution has held up a timeline of the phone calls which has Martin's call with Rachel Jeantel ending 71 seconds before the GUNSHOT and only 27 seconds before 9/11 was called.

Defense is going to have really knock this one down.

How long did the fight go on before someone picks up the phone and calls 9/11? ten seconds? 15 seconds?

If this is true, then that gives Martin between 12 and 17 seconds to spot Zimmerman, hide in a Bush, and then jump out and sucker punch Zimmerman.

It means it's much more likely that RJ's testimony is true and that her phone call with TM ended because GZ came over to him.

Mark O'Mara just said the witness who made the first phone call said she waited 20-25 seconds before she called 9/11. That's gigantic.

If the prosecution has accurate timing on on all the calls, this almost directly supports the idea that Zimmerman confronted Martin while he was still on phone with Rachel Jenteal.

Also the animation that the defense just showed is pretty laughable in this respect: They didn't actually animate the two characters. They animated some text. It was a slideshow of still pictures. Just as Zimmerman couldn't explain his movements from the the "T" to when TM died and couldn't explain how he got from the bottom to the top, the video they showed, just showed still "position" based on what witnesses saw. So the videos is not intended to tell Zimmerman's story, it just shows the bits what is known and unknown. It leaves all the gaps intact. It doesn't animate to show the many, many punches that Zimmerman say happened in a short period of time. It doesn't show the many, many times Zimmerman says TM banged his head on the concrete....they would have to show how long he was near any concrete, it doesn't show TM smothering Martin with his hands, and then reaching for this gun, etc. I would have loved to see how fast the figures would have had to move to accomplish that. It would have been interesting to see what they did with GZ's hands too, during the fight, because he had no defense wounds.

It probably doesn't mean much to the jury, because they probably didn't know "an animation" was coming, but it was pretty underwhelming. It does give you an a sense of the scene, but if I was on a jury, I would be extra skeptical to a video recreation because they is so many ways to manipulate the point of view.


O'Mara's a very good lawyer and much easier to listen to than the prosecution.

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Observing somebody from a distance who you believe is suspicious and reporting them to the authorities is not illegal and isn't "trying to carry out vigilante justice." Nor is shooting somebody in self defense illegal or "trying to carry out vigilante justice."

If he merely called the cops and observed from a distance, then nothing would have happened.
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If he merely called the cops and observed from a distance, then nothing would have happened.






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If he merely called the cops and observed from a distance, then nothing would have happened.
So? If trayvon didn't beat the shit out of zimmerman then trayvon probably wouldn't have got shot.
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"Skittles that he didn't even steal from 7-11." Seems like an odd comment to me.

There was a pretty big campaign on the racist end of the blogosphere last year that Trayvon did steal the from the 7-11 because there was no receipt in his pockets. I kid you not.

Google "receipt and Trayvon"

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The revelation came this morning on Fox and Friends during an interview with Bill “Bull” Lee, who has temporarily stepped-down as Sanford Chief of Police in order to act as Zimmerman’s official spokesman. Lee told the cast of the popular morning show, “After we stripped the dead suspect and tested him for drug and alcohol use and then dug under his finger and toe nails for any incriminating DNA, we checked his blood-soaked clothes for any kind of evidence of wrong doing. All we found was 34 cents and a couple of baseball cards.”

“That’s it?” Gretchen Carlson asked dismayed. “Seems to me that something was obviously missing: why wasn’t there a receipt for the pop [sic] and candy?”

Carlson, in her classic journalistic style, stayed on the scent: “So were the baseball cards found on Martin of any value?” she asked. “Do we know if the family has produced a receipt for those?”

“To this point,” Lee answered, “the Martin family has refused to cooperate on that matter. However, I do know that Mr. Zimmerman believes that baseball cards were once stolen from him.”

This new line of investigation has echoed throughout the Fox News line-up. Bill O’Reilly stated, “Candy and tea and baseball cards, but no receipts? Liberals can’t explain that. New twists to this case are bound to continue to turn-up as Fox News investigates the real reality of what happened in Sanford.”


That led to blog posts like this
BUSTED: Trayvon Martin STOLE Skittles & Arizona Iced Tea
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but it was weird in the context of this trial, like he was playing to the audience at home, not the jury.
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O'Mara just asked the jury to pretend that Zimmerman was smart and hired a lawyer and didn't make all those self-serving statements (the ones I call lies) to the police and just put those aside. And didn't tell say "just tell my wife I shot somebody." It's like let's just pretend he wasn't there at all. If we're pretending, why not go all the way.
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