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Old 03-20-2012, 08:48 PM   #76
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I think its called 'stand your ground law' in Florida. If someone threatens your life, you have the right to defend your self (but I believe the threat has to be proportional... You cant shoot a person for pushing you...) You cant shoot an unarmed person and claim self defense in any instance that I know of. Here in Philly I think that you can only kill a person like that if you defending yourself in your home. There is some other provision where you have to retreat and then if cornered you can use lethal force..

But none of that seems to apply to this guy. Seems like he simply had black dudes targeted and eventually this was going to happen...

The unique tragedy here is the fact that police wont do their jobs... Self defense is something that a person claims in court... not at the scene of a crime... You tell a judge why you should go free even though you did indeed commit murder.. I dont see how the cops get to decide that on the scene
Thanks, I was doing a little more reading on the case today and I saw mention of Florida's "Stand your ground" law, which seems to differ from laws set by most other states. I still believe the outcome of this case will not work in Zimmerman's favor (rightfully so) but I do find it strange, as you said, that police were so willing to write things off at the scene and not arrest him initially.
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:01 PM   #77
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I really hope this guy gets his ass beat every single day in prison for as long as he lives.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:05 AM   #78
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Thanks, I was doing a little more reading on the case today and I saw mention of Florida's "Stand your ground" law, which seems to differ from laws set by most other states. I still believe the outcome of this case will not work in Zimmerman's favor (rightfully so) but I do find it strange, as you said, that police were so willing to write things off at the scene and not arrest him initially.

These "stand your ground" laws seem so incredibly stupid. Rather than walking away from a dangerous situation, you can "stand your ground" and escalate the situation. They supposedly have already prevented convictions in gang shootings where a bystander was killed

Deaths Nearly Triple Since “Stand Your Ground” Enacted
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According to state crime stats, Florida averaged 12 “justifiable homicide” deaths a year from 2000-2004. After “Stand your Ground” was passed in 2005, the number of “justifiable” deaths has almost tripled to an average of 35 a year, an increase of 283% from 2005-2010.


This article has a good rundown of several tragic cases including a guy who was drunk and tried to enter the wrong house on his block and ended up shot on his neighbor's steps. Even though he never entered the guy's house. Previously the homeowner would have had to call the cops and wait inside. Nowadays he can escalate the situation due to this idiotic law. A law the head of Miami police department doesn't like.

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Miami's police chief made a prediction shortly before the law took effect:

"Whether it's trick-or-treaters or kids playing in the yard of someone who doesn't want them there or some drunk guy stumbling into the wrong house,'' Chief John Timoney told the New York Times, "you're encouraging people to possibly use deadly physical force where it shouldn't be used.''

Four years later, Billy Kuch got drunk, so drunk that at 5 a.m. one day he stumbled to the door of the wrong house in a look-alike neighborhood and tried to open it, twice.

Before the "stand your ground" law, homeowner Gregory Stewart would have been expected to hunker down in his Land O'Lakes residence, dead-bolt secure, and call police.

With the law in place, he could use deadly force anywhere he had a right to be, provided he felt threatened with death or great bodily harm. He had no duty to retreat from danger.

Stewart left his wife inside with their baby and stepped outside, gun in hand.

Kuch put his hands up and asked for a light.

"Please don't make me shoot you," Stewart said.

Kuch, then 23, says he might have stumbled. Stewart, then 32, told police the unarmed man took three steps forward.

The bullet ripped into Kuch's chest, nicked his heart, shot through his liver, in and out of his stomach, through his spleen, then out his back. He felt like his body was on fire.

Stewart, when questioned by deputies, began to cry. "I could have given him a light," he said.

The days ticked by, Kuch in a coma as his parents waited for word of a trial. And waited. After two months, the Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney's Office decided the shooting was justified and dropped the aggravated battery charge.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:26 PM   #79
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His hoodie killed Trayvon Martin as surely as George Zimmerman.


Justice will come to Zimmerman the Fla shooter-but I'm trying to save lives like Trayvon's-Parents Alert: hoodies can get your kid killed.


Its not blaming the victim Its common sense-look like a gangsta&some armed schmuck will take you at your word


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Old 03-23-2012, 01:29 PM   #80
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at that clown

Is this guy serious?
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:34 PM   #81
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So its the hoodie's fault huh? What, kids hafta wear a suit & tie in order to go outside without getting shot?



Geraldo is a jack ass


He's telling people a piece of clothing is the reason this kid got murdered...

What happens when paranoid clowns decide to focus on another piece of clothing?

tell your kids to stop wearing that too?

the problem is Zimmerman and the Sanford police department... 'Hoodies' arent problem

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Old 03-23-2012, 01:44 PM   #82
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yea, it was raining too. not to uncommon to wear your hood when it's raining.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:51 PM   #83
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I don't get it... how would the cops NOT arrest a guy who tells the operator that he's going to "follow" the guy. That shows intent right there, right? Running after the dude to initiate a "scuffle" so he can pull out his piece and end him? Pretty obvious.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:56 PM   #84
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thugs and gangstas

all of em
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:29 PM   #85
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ok lets talk about this gang banger hood rat who was beating a guys ass then got killed for it. sounds like another day in LA to me?
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:30 PM   #86
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ok lets talk about this gang banger hood rat who was beating a guys ass then got killed for it. sounds like another day in LA to me?

Stop Lying. Provide evidence or irrelevant. This isn't a black vs white thing. This is a right vs wrong thing.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:30 PM   #87
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ok lets talk about this gang banger hood rat who was beating a guys ass then got killed for it. sounds like another day in LA to me?

You're trying way too hard. It's sad.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:31 PM   #88
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So its the hoodie's fault huh? What, kids hafta wear a suit & tie in order to go outside without getting shot?



Geraldo is a jack ass


He's telling people a piece of clothing is the reason this kid got murdered...

What happens when paranoid clowns decide to focus on another piece of clothing?

tell your kids to stop wearing that too?

the problem is Zimmerman and the Sanford police department... 'Hoodies' arent problem

dumbass

This is pretty ridiculous. I wear a lot of metal band t-shirts that have "Satanic" imagery on them. So basically, if I was burned at the stake by a mob of Christians, I guess it's my fault. . for you know, walking around in a shirt.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:39 PM   #89
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This isn't a black vs white thing. This is a right vs wrong thing.

Duh. Neither of these two individuals were white. Martin was black. Zimmerman is Latino.

But you're right. It's not a black vs. brown issue.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:39 PM   #90
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Stop Lying. Provide evidence or irrelevant. This isn't a black vs white thing. This is a right vs wrong thing.

who said anything about black and white?? the kid is mexican. the problem is people like YOU always making it a white black race issue. racist ass chode
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