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Old 01-13-2012, 12:12 AM   #1
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Default Evaluating the Knicks

So heres where I feel the Knicks stand

First and foremost, we need a new coach, a new GM, and some depth. Now we are blessed to have 2 stars and it appears that is what you'll need going forward to win big from now onThat being said,we've got a lot of changes to make. It's all going to start with changing the way we do things. We've had a history of habits and it's clearly not working.

We need to get younger.Not just player wise but Front Office wise too. Look around the league,those old coaches are being replaced. Problem is, if or when we replace D'Antoni, we won't go out adn get a fresh young mind. We'll go out and try to sign the biggest name there is. Probably Phil Jackson. We'll have marginal results,he'll go his merry way, then we're right back at square one. We are doing the same thing with our pg situation. We're waiting on an old guy with back problems to save the day. One who's yet to play one minute in a Knicks jersey.

Our team has habitually littered it's roster and front office with stop gap solutions to save face.Instead of getting a good,young coach,we hire a "defensive coordinator".Instead of getting a pg,we get 2 has beens and hope we can revive their career.Then we get Jeremy Lin to make matters worse.Instead of getting players and staff to buy into the culture of defense, we go out noverpay one guy to solve our problems. Instead of getting in Amare's grill for not rebounding, we go and get Josh Harrelson.Instead of getting players who can play on both ends of the court, we re-sign Jeffries and lie to ourselves with this "he can guard all 5 positions" nonsense.

We never stitch our wounds.We just put Bandaids on them. In my entire life as a Knick fan, I've never seen us start out with a young core,build around it and get a coach to grow with our team.We always have this give Stella her groove back approach. We go after names and it's gotta stop.We need to go out and get a GM to construct a sound team. No more overreacting,no more stop gap temporary solutions.We need a solid backcourt.Doesn't neeed to be great. Then we need to fill our bench with players who can contribute on both ends. They don't have to be great. Just a solid, balanced mixture of vets and youth.Guys to where you know if you put them in the game,we arent going to be in an immediately disadvantage leading to a deficit.

Einstein definition of insanity " Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". Right now,the Knicks are an insane organization.
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Point blank: the Knicks have a college coach.

I don't know if I can put up with watching 5 players camp the 3 point line all year with the shot clock winding down.
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I think this Knick team is a team with good individual players but bad as a unit. Melo and Amare cannot co-exist with one another and it has to be one or the other. Both are offensive oriented players who take too many shots, now if Amare would be a dominant post prescence then that would be different but he's taking way too many jumpshots. This team has no balance.. We have 2 #1 options who are ballhogs then we have everyone else. We don't have players who can spread the floor, we don't have a decent #3 option, we don't have a player who can distribute, we don't have an offensive post presence, not enough IQ, etc. Atleast last year we had an identity with our roster despite it being less talented. Amare was the #1, Felton was the floor general so the speak, Gallo would spread the floor and drive, Fields was the hard working glue guy, Williams 3point specialist, etc.. I think Chandler is trying to be that defensive anchor(needs help), I think Fields is a hardworking player who's play is effected from the other dimwits, we need more.

Although Melo is a great player and the best on our team I still oppose that trade. We got burnt and to think we could have gotten him for free or possibly a player like CP3 or Dwight in the offseason instead is absurd. Imagine having Gallo with Mozguv and what ever else we traded..

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Point blank: the Knicks have a college coach.

I don't know if I can put up with watching 5 players camp the 3 point line all year with the shot clock winding down.

At one point you got to start pointing fingers at the players.. I have a hard time believing D'Antoni gives the green light to Shumpert to jack up 20 contested jumpers or Amare taking deep shots.
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At one point you got to start pointing fingers at the players.. I have a hard time believing D'Antoni gives the green light to Shumpert to jack up 20 contested jumpers or Amare taking deep shots.
I have a hard time believing a coach wouldn't stop it either.
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Franchize good post, but one question.......

How young do you want the team to be?

Half the team is under 26, and out of those, 7 players have 3 years or less NBA experience.

And we only have two players older than 30.

If anything the team is too young, and needs more vets.

Vets win rings, not the kids.

What was the last team to win it all with just about the entire roster under 30?
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Franchize good post, but one question.......

How young do you want the team to be?

Half the team is under 26, and out of those, 7 players have 3 years or less NBA experience.

And we only have two players older than 30.

If anything the team is too young, and needs more vets.

Vets win rings, not the kids.

What was the last team to win it all with just about the entire roster under 30?

I'm really starting to think you skim thru my posts. I said we need balance of both.

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At one point you got to start pointing fingers at the players.. I have a hard time believing D'Antoni gives the green light to Shumpert to jack up 20 contested jumpers or Amare taking deep shots

Well then you're in denial because D'Antoni's teams have always possessed that trait. Only problem is,he used to have better shooters. No rookie is going to come in the league with the audacity to hoist shots unless he has the green light. as far as amare,he was never the most responsible player and you can attribute that to the fact that Mike's been his coach most of his pro career. Mike was the one who got him to start shooting J's. Not a problem, but that's all he does now. He's become Chris Bosh. I can count on one hand how many times per game Amare gets on the block and we pound the ball in the post. Damn shame because as a rookie, before Mike, he was really good on the block. Mike D'Antoni is ruining the progression of players, especially Shumpert and Amare.
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Franchize, I agreed with your post except that one part.

You must didn't even read my post guy.

The team is too young imo.
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At one point you got to start pointing fingers at the players.. I have a hard time believing D'Antoni gives the green light to Shumpert to jack up 20 contested jumpers or Amare taking deep shots.

They go to the positions they are told to go. I've posted numerous photos of them taking shots with every player on the perimeter/3 point line. This is the doing of the coach.
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Default Re: Evaluating the Knicks

Franchize you're venting over the same things where no one really disagrees with the sentiment.

You dont like the Coach
You dont like the Bench
You didnt like the Draft
You didnt like Donnie
You dont like Grunwald

Its a huge chain reaction but I dont see where things that could be much different.
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Franchize you're venting over the same things where no one really disagrees with the sentiment.

Yea but I didn't say anyone disagrees with me or not. I was just throwing our issues out there. It seems like some people want to follow the media and blame Melo and/or Amare. They are the least of our worries right now. We need to change the way we do things. We've been doing it for years now and it isn't working.
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At one point you got to start pointing fingers at the players.. I have a hard time believing D'Antoni gives the green light to Shumpert to jack up 20 contested jumpers or Amare taking deep shots.

Do you really think a real basketball coach like Jerry Sloan would allow a rookie to jack up shots like that?

The guy on our bench has a shooting fetish that can't be satiated.
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Each regime has been flawed and made mistakes. I dont think things are the same but quite similar.

there is a price to pay for buying a core bottom line. there is a price to pay for salary dumping which cost players and draft picks.

I dont know if Boomdizzle will make a difference. The only thing that will happen is another year down the drain and next year they MAY get another coach not sure about the GM.
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At this point, I think I'd explore the Amare trade option for Dwight.However, I'd do it for a financial gain. If we can trade Amare and Chandler, we can get back Dwight and give ourselves some cap relief from that Chandler signing. Let's face it,even if he's the player we hope him to be, we're going to be hard pressed to put players around our core. Our supporting casts is getting worse and worse and thus their trade value is slipping rapidly.Therefore, we're going to be forced to sign FA's rather than acquire thru trade, which means bidding wars. Something we can't afford.
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At this point, I think I'd explore the Amare trade option for Dwight.However, I'd do it for a financial gain. If we can trade Amare and Chandler, we can get back Dwight and give ourselves some cap relief from that Chandler signing. Let's face it,even if he's the player we hope him to be, we're going to be hard pressed to put players around our core. Our supporting casts is getting worse and worse and thus their trade value is slipping rapidly.Therefore, we're going to be forced to sign FA's rather than acquire thru trade, which means bidding wars. Something we can't afford.
You reallly think the Magic is going to trade the best player and give us cap space. Never gonna happen. Amare doesnt have the value based on his play since the acquisition of Melo. If by chance the Magic would want Amare definitely a 3rd or 4th team would have to be involved. Chandler probably could be moved to GSW though. I can possibly see that happening.

This is the price paid for buying a core. As the record has shown acquiring FA's isnt the Knicks strong suit.

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