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Old 10-13-2012, 09:14 PM   #3391
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You'd be wrong if you think he's an elite catcher. He doesn't do anything bad really, but he doesn't have anything that's eltie on the Molina level. That's an elite defensive catcher. He's also not elite enough to be on the level of Mike Trout value when he doesn't even play 20-25% of his games at his primary position and two of his starting pitchers (Timmy, Zito) felt more comfortable with Sanchez at the plate.

Molina is one of the greatest defensive catchers ever, maybe as good as we've ever seen. Just because you aren't as good as he is, doesn't mean you aren't elite.

He's got a great arm, calls a great game, blocks the plate well. Posey has no holes.

Timmy didn't have a problem with Posey catching him when they won a world series. That has more to do with Lincecum and his struggles than anything else.

Posey & Trout are basically even as far as offensive value goes disregarding the positions they play. Trout has a super super slight edge.

When you factor in Posey playing catcher, a position league wide that has basically the worst offensive production out of everyone along with short stops, I think Posey's position value for his bat compared to Trouts makes them even as offensive players go.

Then factor in defense. I think Catchers are the most important defensive position on the field....and even though Posey isn't as good at defense at catcher as Trout is at center field, he's not far behind. I really do think Posey is a top five defensive catcher.

That's why I think Posey is very very close to Trout in terms of overall value he brings to a team, this year and going forward.

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Old 10-13-2012, 09:31 PM   #3392
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Molina is one of the greatest defensive catchers ever, maybe as good as we've ever seen. Just because you aren't as good as he is, doesn't mean you aren't elite.

He's got a great arm, calls a great game, blocks the plate well. Posey has no holes.

Timmy didn't have a problem with Posey catching him when they won a world series. That has more to do with Lincecum and his struggles than anything else.

Posey & Trout are basically even as far as offensive value goes disregarding the positions they play. Trout has a super super slight edge.

When you factor in Posey playing catcher, a position league wide that has basically the worst offensive production out of everyone along with short stops, I think Posey's position value for his bat compared to Trouts makes them even as offensive players go.

Then factor in defense. I think Catchers are the most important defensive position on the field....and even though Posey isn't as good at defense at catcher as Trout is at center field, he's not far behind. I really do think Posey is a top five defensive catcher.

That's why I think Posey is very very close to Trout in terms of overall value he brings to a team, this year and going forward.
Going forward he may have an argument of being on Trout's level, but this year I just think him only starting 111 games at catcher and 29 at first base takes away from some of his argument. It wasn't just Timmy that wasn't comfortbale but Zito as well. Two of the five starts not feeling comfortable with him catching counts for something, regardless of whose fault it is. Trout was regarded by many as the best defensive player in the league this season, while Posey while being very good is still behind the likes of Molina, Wieters, Ruiz.

I guess I might just be nitpicking, but I think THIS year solely Trout was on a higher level in terms of value. As Posey continues though I can definitely see him up there.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:35 PM   #3393
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Those fans ****ed their own team, not touching the ball and letting Jackson go to third
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:44 PM   #3394
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If you're going to count the games he went to first base than may as well bring up the fact Trout played 885 innings at center field and 340 at left field/right field.

Buster caught 973 innings and played first 216 innings.
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Two runs isn't bad.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:54 PM   #3396
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A-Rod still a ****ing bum.
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:01 PM   #3397
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Granderson and A-Rod hardcore duelling for crappiest Yankee.

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Old 10-13-2012, 10:01 PM   #3398
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:14 PM   #3399
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If you're going to count the games he went to first base than may as well bring up the fact Trout played 885 innings at center field and 340 at left field/right field.

Buster caught 973 innings and played first 216 innings.

Trout played in 9 less games overall and many of the games where he played in LF he played CF as well which could mean that they were moving him around to try to fit in another bat at some point in a game and they also had a lot of players to move around in the outfield to make everyone happy. It wasn't due to them not feeling comfortable with him in CF, they were trying to find a way to juggle around Bourjous, Trumbo, Trout, and Wells. Either way we can just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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Ibanez does it again!

And Valverde does it again!
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this fckin valverde. what a born choker. loser the next byung hyung
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Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

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****ing Potato.
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Good, I hope the Tigers finally get rid of that ridiculously terrible fat-ass with his garbage glasses and stupid, absurd windup. What a fucking joke Valverde is.
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FCK YOU VALVERDE. cant wait till they dance on your paycheck after ripping that shit up

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