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Old 03-28-2012, 01:38 PM   #1
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Default Law Enforcement expert on the basic issue in the Trayvon Martin case

For all of us who are non-experts about how the Trayvon Martin case should have gone, the clearest explanation I have seen is on MSNBC's The Last Word.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883...word/#46830038

If you go to about 4:20 a professor of Law and Police Studies at the John Jay School of Criminal Justice speaks. John Jay has a highly respected Criminal Justice Program. The professor, Eugene O'Donnell, was previously was a NYC cop and then a prosecutor, says it was pretty straightforward case. A case that new police sergeants across the country could have decided within 20-30 min after arriving on the scene would have decided an arrest should be made.

The issue isn't figuring out who killed Martin. It's absolutely known that it was George Zimmerman killed him, but the issue is if there was any justification for it. However, he says that is not for the cop on the scene to figure out. It's an issue for the jury.

With the 911 calls, there's a lot of evidence that was available very early in the case. And those tapes point to Zimmerman's state of mind right before the incident.

He notes that the an arrest is a preliminary judgement, not a final judgement. The final judgement comes before a jury when the defendant can present exculpatory evidence and has the presumption of innocence.

Basically the cops should have made an arrest within an hour.

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Default Re: Law Enforcement expert on the basic issue in the Trayvon Martin case

If the tables were turned,
And you were told the same story except it was a black 37 yr old black man who shot a 17 yr old white boy..

Do you think there would have been an arrest?
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Default Re: Law Enforcement expert on the basic issue in the Trayvon Martin case

Haven't paid any attention to this case as I am not American, it has no relevance to me.
A quick google search was made to find the crime demographics or the area, none could be found. Thus I am a position to assume that had the tables been turned, then the 37yr black male would have certainly been arrested given the social-relationship of black Americans to crime ratio in large US cities.
However the jury will decide. The problem is, the media has had such a profound affect on the case, that a non-judgmental jury will be difficult to establish.
The facts about whether or not he was, armed, whether there was a threat is all complete hear say. If the jury finds him guilty, he's guilty, if not then he's not. That is the way justice works
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Haven't paid any attention to this case as I am not American, it has no relevance to me.
A quick google search was made to find the crime demographics or the area, none could be found. Thus I am a position to assume that had the tables been turned, then the 37yr black male would have certainly been arrested given the social-relationship of black Americans to crime ratio in large US cities.
However the jury will decide. The problem is, the media has had such a profound affect on the case, that a non-judgmental jury will be difficult to establish.
The facts about whether or not he was, armed, whether there was a threat is all complete hear say. If the jury finds him guilty, he's guilty, if not then he's not. That is the way justice works


For your theory to work, the shooter has to be arrested and he still has not been arrested.
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:07 PM   #5
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Default Re: Law Enforcement expert on the basic issue in the Trayvon Martin case

Zimmerman has probably left the country.

His family has political connections. That's why he wasn't placed under arrest.
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Zimmerman has probably left the country.

His family has political connections. That's why he wasn't placed under arrest.
They could be full of shit but the Sanford PD says they can contact him and that if the order is put out for his arrest he'll turn himself in peacefully.
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They could be full of shit but the Sanford PD says they can contact him and that if the order is put out for his arrest he'll turn himself in peacefully.


He's not in the country. What they mean is...they have his father's contact info
.....and indirectly they can get word to him.

and , people from NYC area already know what time it is, if he's ever arrested......lawyer is going to claim that because of national and local media coverage that he can't get a fair trial by jury

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