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Old 03-29-2012, 01:19 AM   #1
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Default What's your personal opinion of pride?

Serious question. It's a serious subject or topic, really. Pride is more commonplace than ever before, and while most don't exactly view pride as a 'bad thing' - it is the single most component that leads to the destruction of man.

I won't go all Biblical on ya'll with scriptures, etc. - let's just keep the convo simple. With or without religion, God, etc. - how do you view pride?

Aristotle claimed pride is a virtue, and looking at the world today, it appears that way. Does that make it right, or OK, or acceptable?

This is the vice (sin or whatever you want to call it) I struggle with the most, and it's by far the most damaging. There's a slippy slope when we define our 'self-worth' on an individual level. It's not OK to think you're dogshit, but it's not OK to think you're better than anyone else either. So where do we draw the line?

Alright, I said I wouldn't get all preachy but it was pride that turned Satan against God. It was pride that convinced Eve to act out the original sin. Pride is the opposite of love. How can you love someone else if you love yourself excessively? You just can't. If you think you do or can, then there's some mental force inside your mind that is telling yourself you're the 'exception ... that you're somehow special and different than others.

That's pride.

Pride sucks. Period.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:26 AM   #2
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Default Re: What's your personal opinion of pride?

i tried to read your post and got bored because i got no idea what your on about


have/do you take drugs?
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Default Re: What's your personal opinion of pride?

Is self confidence pride? Is high self esteem pride? At what point does pride become arrogance?

Is it possible to have confidence without pride? Is it possible to have good self esteem without pride? Or.. what is the difference between pride, and just being happy about who we are? Can you have one without the other?
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i tried to read your post and got bored because i got no idea what your on about


have/do you take drugs?

You 'got no idea' ... pretty much self-explanatory.
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I have very little pride. Does that make you think more highly of me?
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:32 AM   #6
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Is self confidence pride? Is high self esteem pride? At what point does pride become arrogance?

Is it possible to have confidence without pride? Is it possible to have good self esteem without pride? Or.. what is the difference between pride, and just being happy about who we are? Can you have one without the other?

You're asking valid ?'s ... which is why I called it a slippery slope. I sometimes wonder if Christ was prideful... is God Himself prideful? I have come to the conclusion you can't love if you're consumed by pride. Yes you love, but only yourself.
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I have very little pride. Does that make you think more highly of me?

A humble wise man > an arrogant asshole
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You're asking valid ?'s ... which is why I called it a slippery slope. I sometimes wonder if Christ was prideful... is God Himself prideful? I have come to the conclusion you can't love if you're consumed by pride. Yes you love, but only yourself.

But can you love if you have the opposite of pride? If to be proud is to love yourself or have faith in yourself.. the opposite of proud would be to hate yourself and not have faith in yourself. Could you really love in that condition?
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But can you love if you have the opposite of pride? If to be proud is to love yourself or have faith in yourself.. the opposite of proud would be to hate yourself and not have faith in yourself. Could you really love in that condition?

God tells us to love ourselves - no question. However, God tells us to love Him first, love our neighbor second, and lastly, love ourselves.

So yes, love yourself, but not more than anyone else.

If we follow these steps, there's no murdering, no stealing, etc. Much, MUCH easier said than done.

Pride is basically the umbrella of all other sin.
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Default Re: What's your personal opinion of pride?

if you have no pride then how can you know what you're doing is good? you need some type of feed back loop to evaluate your personal and social actions. its just when pride gets out of hand and you become a narcissist that it is detrimental.

you can't take a human emotion and lump it into a single category. everything is on a spectrum and needs to be evaluated contextually. is pride bad? depends.

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You 'got no idea' ... pretty much self-explanatory.



my opinion on pride is basic,i feel pride is a great thing and the core of a success. I have a lot of pride because i feel i am a great looking intelligent person that is ridiculously successful for my age but it can get confused with arrogance which is fine because who's to draw a line between confidence and arrogance. Every person draws the line at the different point so me trying to convince someone that im not arrogant im just a proud person would actually be very arrogant so i dont bother but i have a feeling you will respond to this with a basic one line response questioning my inteligence or demanding me to explain why i believe i have a right to be proud of myself which is cool but i doubt ill respond because a person who lives there life by a book called "the bible" could never understand me

and just to let you know i am a christian by birth and do believe in "a god"
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my opinion on pride is basic,i feel pride is a great thing and the core of a success. I have a lot of pride because i feel i am a great looking intelligent person that is ridiculously successful for my age but it can get confused with arrogance which is fine because who's to draw a line between confidence and arrogance. Every person draws the line at the different point so me trying to convince someone that im not arrogant im just a proud person would actually be very arrogant so i dont bother but i have a feeling you will respond to this with a basic one line response questioning my inteligence or demanding me to explain why i believe i have a right to be proud of myself which is cool but i doubt ill respond because a person who lives there life by a book called "the bible" could never understand me

and just to let you know i am a christian by birth and do believe in "a god"

I'm not here to bash one's intellect or lack thereof... I'm just wanting to know other's opinions on the subject. Thanks for sharing.
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I'm not here to bash one's intellect or lack thereof... I'm just wanting to know other's opinions on the subject. Thanks for sharing.


that is fair enough

so your opinion is that it sucks because pride can pretty much turn a "normal" person "evil" so to say?
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that is fair enough

so your opinion is that it sucks because pride can pretty much turn a "normal" person "evil" so to say?

I think 'evil' is a bit strong, but basically. The more you love yourself, the less you love others. You really can't have it both ways.
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