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Old 03-29-2012, 01:51 AM   #16
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I think 'evil' is a bit strong, but basically. The more you love yourself, the less you love others. You really can't have it both ways.

that just sounds like a saying. what is the evidence for that?
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I think 'evil' is a bit strong, but basically. The more you love yourself, the less you love others. You really can't have it both ways.

What if you love yourself a lottttt but you love others more?

I don't think the more you love yourself, the less you love others. I think it's two separate categories. How you feel about yourself, and your general opinion of humanity. And then, your opinion of the humans you actually are acquainted with.
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I think 'evil' is a bit strong, but basically. The more you love yourself, the less you love others. You really can't have it both ways.

Pride doesn't have to be that extreme. It could also help you be more independent and self-confident. You must love yourself before you love another.
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how can i love others if I don't love my self first???? In loving my self then I can better understand and relate to what others needs and wants are. However, in terms of Pride too much of it much like anything else can be a flaw/problematic. So, it is key in finding the balance in pride, loving your self and others.
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God tells us to love ourselves - no question. However, God tells us to love Him first, love our neighbor second, and lastly, love ourselves.

So yes, love yourself, but not more than anyone else.

If we follow these steps, there's no murdering, no stealing, etc. Much, MUCH easier said than done.

Pride is basically the umbrella of all other sin.
Do people murder and steal for pride though? Idk.. some people dont care about others not because they love themselves so much but for the opposite reason. They dont care about themselves or have any sense of worth.. so they just dont give a fvck.
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that just sounds like a saying. what is the evidence for that?

How can you love your neighbor if you're too busy loving yourself? I'm not saying you can't say 'care' about other people and love yourself all the same, but the act of doing so screams self-righteousness.

I know you're not religious, etc... but I think you're a pretty cool dude. What do you think of God's advice, that we love Him first, then our neighbors, then ourselves. Do you think there is a flaw behind that order?

Alright, let's take away the first step - just say love others first and foremost, then yourself last. Is that good advice?
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Pride doesn't have to be that extreme. It could also help you be more independent and self-confident. You must love yourself before you love another.

In THIS world, yes, you must love yourself first and foremost. However, it's better we love others first.

All we know for sure is this world... but that doesn't mean there's a higher responsibility in each and every one of us, that commands us to reach out and put others FIRST.

If everyone in the world always put themselves first, how long will WE last?



It's all about love... yes, love yourself, but love others first.
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how can i love others if I don't love my self first???? In loving my self then I can better understand and relate to what others needs and wants are. However, in terms of Pride too much of it much like anything else can be a flaw/problematic. So, it is key in finding the balance in pride, loving your self and others.


We're all different... and I don't mean to say what you said if flawed, etc. but what YOU THINK about yourself (loving yourself, etc) doesn't exactly help you better understand others, and how YOU THINK they should be loved, etc.

I think that's part of the problem... we think if we understand ourselves entirely, we can understand everyone else the same. No two people are exactly alike; that's the beauty of our grand design.
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Alright, let's take away the first step - just say love others first and foremost, then yourself last. Is that good advice?

i think it sounds like good advice, although i'm not sure if it is practical or beneficial in every situation. but on the face of it i think it is good.

however i don't think pride negates that advice. someone who has so much pride that it prohibits them from acting charitable or feeling empathy is probably more likely to have a personality disorder. in general i don't think moderate amounts of pride are bad. as i said before, it lies on a spectrum and it is contextual.
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Do people murder and steal for pride though? Idk.. some people dont care about others not because they love themselves so much but for the opposite reason. They dont care about themselves or have any sense of worth.. so they just dont give a fvck.

"not giving a fu*k" is pride in it's purest form.
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i think it sounds like good advice, although i'm not sure if it is practical or beneficial in every situation. but on the face of it i think it is good.

however i don't think pride negates that advice. someone who has so much pride that it prohibits them from acting charitable or feeling empathy is probably more likely to have a personality disorder. in general i don't think moderate amounts of pride are bad. as i said before, it lies on a spectrum and it is contextual.

The irony in 'acting charitable' is self-righteousness. I think it's just human nature default. There's really no way around it. I think it's a life-long process to overcome and defeat. Pride is the worst sin, but also the most common.

Again I know you don't believe in a Creator, God or whatever... but imagine you were Him... pride would have to be the sin you despise the most. More than murder, etc. For a human being to say "I don't need God, I am God!" is just ... eugh.

That's basically the world we're living in.
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From a moral standpoint, I see no problem with pride that is 1) earned and 2) checked.

Earned. It makes no sense to have pride in your race, or your country, or your favorite sports team. You didn't earn their accomplishments. It makes no sense to have pride "in yourself," for no identifiable reason. To feel pride because of your accomplishments is different.

Checked. When your accomplishments do bring pride, it's important to check yourself. Continue to follow the Golden Rule, and keep working hard.

Unchecked, unearned pride is arrogance. Earned, checked pride is confidence.
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"not giving a fu*k" is pride in it's purest form.
What? I'm saying some people have so little esteem and pride in who they are that they cant empathize with how others will feel from their actions. They dont 'love' anyone else because they dont love themselves. How is that pride? It's impossible to define it as that. It's the opposite.
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Again I know you don't believe in a Creator, God or whatever... but imagine you were Him... pride would have to be the sin you despise the most. More than murder, etc. For a human being to say "I don't need God, I am God!" is just ... eugh.

That's basically the world we're living in.

you are on a sporting site so i'm assuming you like sports, what do you think about pride as a motivator for competition? can you be truly competitive without pride?
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