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Old 04-16-2012, 09:49 PM   #46
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Default Re: Micheal Jordan vs Sonics defense 1996 finals

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You talking about 2009 and 2010?

2009 Finals
32.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 7.4 apg

5th player to average a 30-5-5 Finals series
First player since Jerry West in '69 to put up 32 and 7 in a Finals series

2010 Finals
28.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 3.9 apg

Most rebounds by a guard in a Finals series since '91
higher ppg, rpg, spg, bpg than Jordan in '96


Did Kobe led Lakers faced MVP in the NBA Finals? NO!

Did Kobe led Lakers faced runner-up MVP in the NBA Finals? NO!

Did kobe led Lakers faced DPOY winner in the NBA Finals? NO!


1996 Sonics won 64 games. Had Runner-up MVP + had 1996 DPOY. A terrific finalist throwing everything at aging past his prime MJ.

Kobe's 30/5/5 is a joke compared to any MJ Finals.

2008 Magic as finalist. This team will be out in ECSF in '90s
2009 Celtics as finalist. This team will be out in ECSF alone because of old age in '90s.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:50 PM   #47
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Did Kobe led Lakers faced MVP in the NBA Finals? NO!

Did Kobe led Lakers faced runner-up MVP in the NBA Finals? NO!

Did kobe led Lakers faced DPOY winner in the NBA Finals? NO!


1996 Sonics won 64 games. Had Runner-up MVP + had 1996 DPOY. A terrific finalist throwing everything at aging past his prime MJ.

Kobe's 30/5/5 is a joke compared to any MJ Finals.

2008 Magic as finalist. This team will be out in ECSF in '90s
2009 Celtics as finalist. This team will be out in ECSF alone because of old age in '90s.
most delusional fan bases

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2. Jordan Jockers
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most delusional fan bases

1. Wilt groupies
2. Jordan Jockers


Calling Kobe Greatest of All Time is about as delusional as it gets....
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most delusional fan bases

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2. Jordan Jockers
Hold the **** on. You think Kobe finals in 2010 is better then 91 Mj finals
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:56 PM   #50
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Totally disagree.

Here are the reasons

A number 2, all-time great, Top 5 players of 1996 cannot ave 15.6 ppg in NBA Finals & expect it to be called a winning contribution

For a # 3 option, 15.6 is very good. For # 2, Pippen's stats are poor. Pippen should've ave 20-22 ppg to say he had a "good" series, 23-24 ppg would've been a "great" series as # 2


If you tell me at the begining, # 1 option will score 27 ppg & #2 option will score 15 ppg, I'd immediately tell you that team will loose NBA Finals in 5-6 games.

no matter what you do defensively & rebounding wise, a great player still needs to put up atleast 20 ppg in the Finals if he is top 2 players of the team.

You'll loose Finals for not putting up enough pts on the board

Kukoc, rodman, Kerr really saved Pippen in this Finals. MJ did not put enoug pts to help pippen out.

This was one tough fought Finals for this reason alone.
You obviously aren't taking circumstances into account.
The bulls/sonics series was a low scoring series. Especially when compared to previous finals. The bulls only avg 79 shots per game. As a comparison, the 87 layers avg 92 shots per

Give credit to payton who defended him for 3 games.

And not to mention, he was injured
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most delusional fan bases

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2. Jordan Jockers

You still havent answered my Question.

MJ led bulls faced great teams which were led:

1991: Runner-up MVP Magic
1992: Runner-up MVP Drexler
1993: NBA MVP Sir Charles
1996: Runner-up MVP Kemp + DPOY Peyton
1997: NBA MVP Malone
1998: Runner-up MVP Malone

Kobe Led Lakers

2008: MVP Kobe lost to bunch of senior citizens.
2009: Kobe beat NBA Newbies with newbie coach.
2010: Kobe beat bunch of senior citizens.

Its a reality check for all kobe'tards like you.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:58 PM   #52
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Hold the **** on. You think Kobe finals in 2010 is better then 91 Mj finals
when did I say that?
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:59 PM   #53
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Jun 17, 1996

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However, when Jordan completed the unprecedented trifecta Sunday night by taking home the MVP of the NBA Finals, some critics cried foul. Dennis Rodman, they claim, merited more consideration, especially after his second 19-rebound performance of the series. (20 rebounds in Game 2)


"I don't know who got the MVP, but I do know Dennis Rodman won two games for them," Seattle coach George Karl said. "I thought we contained Michael pretty well throughout the series, but Dennis Rodman won two basketball games for Chicago. He won Game 2 and he was the reason they were successful tonight. They got a lot of extra possessions because of his 11 offensive rebounds. He got as many, or nearly as many, by himself as we did as a team." - George Karl after Game 6


Post '96 finals analysis of the MVP.

"Listen, everybody knows I'm a Tarheel, undergraduate and graduate and obviously one of the world's biggest Jordan fans coming from that background. I really believe Dennis Rodman was the MVP of this series. Jordan was the difference in game 3. I think game 1 was largely a team effort. But in game 2 and 6, particularly yesterday when the psyche was hanging in the balance. I think he's the guy who established their authority for them on the court and the guy who provided clutch plays for them when they most needed them, particularly at the end of game 2."

As someone who has actually SEEN the series, I've been split 50/50 on who the MVP was. Rodman was (clearly) the MVP of two wins (Jordan played sub-par in those games), Jordan was clearly the MVP of the other two (Rodman played/rebounded well in those games).

Finals MVP voting broke down like this...

11 votes total

MJ got 6 votes
Kemp got 3 votes
Rodman got 2 votes

Rodman was definitely a candidate so I'm not sure why people are acting like this is revisionist history when at the time many thought he deserved it, and he did in fact receive votes for the award too. Even in retrospect you can make that argument. Rodman's historic offensive rebounding was the single thing that made up for the Bull's and Jordan's shooting woes. That is the biggest reason they won despite shooting worse than Seattle, as Rodman kept buying possession after possession, which not only created second chance points for his team but huge momentum shifts as well.
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You still havent answered my Question.

MJ led bulls faced great teams which were led:

1991: Runner-up MVP Magic
1992: Runner-up MVP Drexler
1993: NBA MVP Sir Charles
1996: Runner-up MVP Kemp + DPOY Peyton
1997: NBA MVP Malone
1998: Runner-up MVP Malone

Kobe Led Lakers

2008: MVP Kobe lost to bunch of senior citizens.
2009: Kobe beat NBA Newbies with newbie coach.
2010: Kobe beat bunch of senior citizens.

Its a reality check for all kobe'tards like you.


More delusions
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:35 PM   #55
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Finals MVP voting broke down like this...

11 votes total

MJ got 6 votes
Kemp got 3 votes
Rodman got 2 votes


Guess that's why Jordan was Finals MVP then. He received more votes than Rodman and Kemp combined. You could have just typed this and saved the rest of the text son.
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And not to mention, he was injured

When was Pippen NOT injured? Seems like in every series/game/season where he plays below standards he's injured. Convenient.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:19 PM   #57
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When was Pippen NOT injured? Seems like in every series/game/season where he plays below standards he's injured. Convenient.
Injuries tend to effect a players play. Why should pippen be treated differently?


Id also like to point out the amount of games pippen played in from 90 to 99. He played in evey playoff, including 6 championships, 2 ecfs (both of which went to 7 games), 2 semis (one which went 7 and the other 6), and participated in 2 olympics in which both times his teams went the distance and won gold.

That is a lot of basketball without any considerable amount of rest. No other player has had to play at such a high level for so long. And he was playing against some violent teams. Teams that were more thugs than basketball players.


I think you need to cut him some slack
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Did Kobe led Lakers faced MVP in the NBA Finals? NO!

Did Kobe led Lakers faced runner-up MVP in the NBA Finals? NO!

Did kobe led Lakers faced DPOY winner in the NBA Finals? NO!


1996 Sonics won 64 games. Had Runner-up MVP + had 1996 DPOY. A terrific finalist throwing everything at aging past his prime MJ.

Kobe's 30/5/5 is a joke compared to any MJ Finals.

2008 Magic as finalist. This team will be out in ECSF in '90s
2009 Celtics as finalist. This team will be out in ECSF alone because of old age in '90s.





In regards to facing an MVP, all 3 times the "Kobe led" Lakers played in the finals, the MVP was either Kobe himself, or the guy was gone fishing.

lol "did he face the MVP runner up".

However, Kobe also faced a team with the MVP and DPOY, and won.

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So he played like ur hero, yet somehow u think he deserved his two MVPs

Gasol was the 2010 Finals MVP.
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