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Old 04-18-2012, 10:55 PM   #1
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If LeBron does win his 3rd MVP this season he'll join:

Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Moses Malone
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell

...as one of the only players to ever win the award 3 times. This is something Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Oscar, Dr. J, Tim Duncan etc. all failed to do.

Championship or not, if it happens, can't we all now agree that LeBron James is one of the greatest players ever? Instead of debating if he's great or not, shouldn't the conversation be about how great?
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:58 PM   #2
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Talent wise he is right up there with the greats. But son until he have a ring please just please don't even mention him in the top 10 list.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:00 PM   #3
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Talent wise he is right up there with the greats. But son until he have a ring please just please don't even mention him in the top 10 list.

Top 10? Of course not, but top 15? Eh, that's when it gets interesting.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:01 PM   #4
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If LeBron does win his 3rd MVP this season he'll join:

Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Moses Malone
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell

...as one of the only players to ever win the award 3 times. This is something Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Oscar, Dr. J, Tim Duncan etc. all failed to do.

Championship or not, if it happens, can't we all now agree that LeBron James is one of the greatest players ever? Instead of debating if he's great or not, shouldn't the conversation be about how great?

It's ring or nothing for LeBron now, whether or not that's the right way to be judged.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:03 PM   #5
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It's ring or nothing for LeBron now, whether or not that's the right way to be judged.

That makes no sense though. Generally, people rank Barkley and Malone in the top 20 players ever and neither has a ring. Why should LeBron be shunned from the conversation?
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:09 PM   #6
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That makes no sense though. Generally, people rank Barkley and Malone in the top 20 players ever and neither has a ring. Why should LeBron be shunned from the conversation?

I'm not saying I agree with it, but the general consensus is that he MUST win a ring to be considered there. Blame the media for hyping him, and I guess himself for the 'not 1 not 2' comment.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:10 PM   #7
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If his Finals stats and performances weren't so pathetic, people wouldn't question his greatness that much.

That's basically all LeBron haters have on him right now. 4th quarter bitch, mental midget, choker, etc...

All the greats go through that kind of criticism. Magic is probably the only exception.

Throughout the early-to-mid 2000's, Kobe had his critics and doubters too, that he wasn't a leader, that he couldn't win as the main man. Took him 9 years to prove his doubters wrong.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:13 PM   #8
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That makes no sense though. Generally, people rank Barkley and Malone in the top 20 players ever and neither has a ring. Why should LeBron be shunned from the conversation?
He'll be in the Top 15-25 range without a ring.

But people expect more out of him(should be in Top 10) because how much hype and coverage he received coming out of high school and in the NBA.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:13 PM   #9
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If replace Lebron James with Kobe Bryant 2000-2002 he would have 3 rings
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:16 PM   #10
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He'll be in the Top 15-25 range without a ring.

But people expect more out of him(should be in Top 10) because how much hype and coverage he received coming out of high school and in the NBA.

I get that, but I start looking at those players in that 15-25 range and I'm sorry, but they're not better than LeBron.

Charles Barkely?
Isiah Thomas?
Karl Malone?
John Stockton?

None of those guys would I put over LeBron with 3 MVPs.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:19 PM   #11
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The way I'd probably rank it:

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Larry
6. Wilt
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem
11. Moses
12. Oscar
13. LeBron
14. West
15. Dr. J
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:21 PM   #12
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If his Finals stats and performances weren't so pathetic, people wouldn't question his greatness that much.

That's basically all LeBron haters have on him right now. 4th quarter bitch, mental midget, choker, etc...

All the greats go through that kind of criticism. Magic is probably the only exception.

Throughout the early-to-mid 2000's, Kobe had his critics and doubters too, that he wasn't a leader, that he couldn't win as the main man. Took him 9 years to prove his doubters wrong.

Tragic Johnson. He went through his fair share as well.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:24 PM   #13
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Tragic Johnson.

You rang?

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Old 04-18-2012, 11:24 PM   #14
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Tragic Johnson. He went through his fair share as well.
Ah, yeah. That was against the Celtics in the Finals? The one series that he lost to Bird.
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