Why Is Manu Ginobili So Underrated Presently & All Time?

[WillyJakk]

Just curious...

Manu Ginobili is a 3x NBA Champion (so far), has 1 Olympic Gold Medal, 2 FIBA Gold Medals, was the Italian League & Euroleague Finals MVP, a 2x NBA All Star ('05&'11), and the 2008 NBA Sixth Man of The Year.

So why in the world is he NEVER considered to be not only one of, IF NOT THE 2ND BEST SG OF HIS ERA, but routinely isn't even considered one of the TOP BEST SG's in the NBA?

You could make his health a major reason why but in comparison:
Games Played:
Manu Ginobili ('02-now): 664
Dwyane Wade ('03-now):594

70 games is the difference (which is nearly an NBA season which is exactly how much longer Manu has been in the NBA over Dwyane Wade).

And this is not a knock on Wade but a simple fact, Wade has 1 NBA Championship (so far), 1 Olympic Gold Medal (so far), 1 NBA Finals MVP, 8x NBA All Star but is routinely ranked as the 2nd best SG of his era (behind Kobe) and usually 3-5 All Time ranking behind Jordan, Kobe, West, and Drexler.

Speaking of which, here's a comparison of Ginobili's stats against those SG's who are routinely ranked higher than him:


Manu Ginobili: Stats

Dwyane Wade: Stats

Jerry West: Stats

Clyde Drexler: Stats

As you can see, he has won more NBA titles (3) than each of the above (1) and his numbers are VERY COMPARABLE even though he NEVER put up more than 13 FG's/ game during the regular season while his Playoffs/ Finals numbers hold there own against these guys EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NEVER THE 1ST OPTION ON HIS TEAM which directly affects his PPG totals (as well as others) which most will use as a crutch to claim he wasn't as good as the other SG's.

How come Manu Ginobili is not as highly ranked as other SG's, presently or all time?

He is so underrated...smooth lefty, great handles, crafty, excellent shooter, innovator of the "Euro-step", great finisher, and more clutch than Drexler ever was while arguably just as or even more clutch than D Wade and Jerry West.

There is a case to be made that he in fact is the 3rd best SG of All Time or at least Top 5 All Time.

[The Ownage]

Coming off the bench, being a non-American athlete and playing for the Spurs who have always played fundamental over flashy.

He's one of the best SG's to ever play but those are the reasons why he's not as recognised as others.

[joshwake]

If I were to build a team from any players all time, he would very possibly be my second pick behind MJ at sg. That's not to say I necessarily think he is the second best of all time at sg cause I don't, but building a winning team. The guy knows his role, high bball iq, knows when and how to go to the line and how to work the refs and other players. He is certainly underrated on ISH, but probably not as much by basketball pundits.

[ralph_i_el]

He would be recognized by the average fan more but he's the perfect storm of "ways to go unnoticed":

-comes off the bench
-white/euro
-plays on the spurs

He's my 2b for SG's of the last decade

1. Kobe
2a. Wade
2b. Manu

[niko]

Because he's made of glass which limits his minutes and has made him miss lots of time while Wade has played 40mpg as a first option. Even if Ginobili played at a similar level, it's over less time.

[Alamo]

Manu has always been my favorite player to watch in the NBA

[RaininTwos]

not this shit again

[Kblaze8855]

There is a case to be made that he in fact is the 3rd best SG of All Time

No. There is not. And I like Manu. But that is just absurd...and it will never...ever...ever..be the opinion of anyone who is taken serious in basketball. Even if he were arguably top 3 by ability(He isnt) you cant go all legacy and even start to compare him to Jerry West. Not like Jerry doesnt have a gold medal too....

Jerry Wests accomplishments are otherworldly.

After putting up 29/17 in college his final year...
Won a gold medal winning by about 50 points a game.
Made 14 consecutive all star games
10 time all nba first team
made the first 5 all defensive teams 4 of them first team so hed likely be a 10-12 time all D team player if they had it his whole career
Had 7 playoff runs scoring 30 or more
Holds the NBA record for highest scoring playoff series(46 a game)
Won the first ever finals MVP in a series his team LOST. He put up 42/15/13 in game 7 of that series on a hurt leg he had pain killersl iterally shot into during timeouts.
Made the finals 9 times
Was on a 69 win team that won 33 in a row
Retired as the 3rd leading scorer ever
Led the NBA in scoring
Led the NBA in assists
29/6/6 career playoff averages
Was top 5 in field goal percentage a few times
Had at least one recorded quadruple double that doesnt count of course but the plays were still made. Like if one day the Dunk becomes an official stat Shaq would likely have a lot more triple doubles. The dunks dont just not exist because they didnt count. He has at least one game you can watch and count up the stats yourself...and get a quadruple double.
He averaged about 3 steals a game past his prime when they started counting them.
Coached 3 Laker teams to the playoffs and one to the WCF after they sucked for a couple years after he retired.
Was the GM for 7 Laker titles giving him 8 rings total and about 19 finals as a player or GM.
Executive of the Year
And of course:

There have been several teams Manu would be the 3rd best swingman on. The idea that hes arguably the 3rd best 2 guard ever is gonna do nothing but get him hated on.

[madmax17]

Third best SG I've ever seen, behind MJ and Kobe. Amazing going towards the rim, great 3 point shooter, plays defense, very creative, extremely competitive, has the 'it' factor, clutch, great intangibles.

Of course Wade is one of the best as well.

[Jotaro Durant]

mj
bryant
west
wade
iverson
drexler
gervin
miller
ray
ginobili

10 best sg ever. maravich dont make it

[jb220]

Bench player

[Bigsmoke]

Manu is an All Star calibur player but he's no superstar/All Time Great/Or Whatever you overrated him as

[Bigsmoke]

mj
bryant
west
wade
iverson
drexler
gervin
miller
ray
ginobili

10 best sg ever. maravich dont make it

I heard Tracy McGrady was a SG.

[Jotaro Durant]

I heard Tracy McGrady was a SG.

i always seen tmac as sf and vc as sg

[Killbot]

You must have not read ISH all that much. In here, people overrate him like mad.