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Old 08-19-2012, 12:39 PM   #181
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:10 PM   #182
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thanks for the info.. has anyone read the Dunk and Egg series? there's supposedly a lot about the blackfyres in it
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:21 PM   #183
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thanks for the info.. has anyone read the Dunk and Egg series? there's supposedly a lot about the blackfyres in it
I have, it's not bad.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:24 PM   #184
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I don't get why Varys and Illeryrio would do this. Aren't they already all in with Dany? Why throw another claim to the throne in there when they've spent so much time preparing for Dany to take over?
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:52 PM   #185
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the biggest clue that I found to him being fake is what varys told kevan at the end when he goes "kingship is a duty, not a right". varys always said that he cared about the realm first so i assume that he was just like fvck it, lets get someone that can actually lead the kingdom instead of scrub heirs
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Old 08-19-2012, 02:25 PM   #186
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I don't get why Varys and Illeryrio would do this. Aren't they already all in with Dany? Why throw another claim to the throne in there when they've spent so much time preparing for Dany to take over?
Varys is most likely a blackfyre too.. remember they just married off a young girl with an insane brother to a horde of barbarians. If they were all in, they were all in for Viserys, he had the claim not dany. They never expected her to hatch dragons, and I think they expected Viserys to f*ck it up with the Dothraki just the way he did. Viserys is not the type Varys would have wanted on the throne.

Also, Illaryio probably married a female blackfyre
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:50 PM   #187
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Varys is most likely a blackfyre too.. remember they just married off a young girl with an insane brother to a horde of barbarians. If they were all in, they were all in for Viserys, he had the claim not dany. They never expected her to hatch dragons, and I think they expected Viserys to f*ck it up with the Dothraki just the way he did. Viserys is not the type Varys would have wanted on the throne.

Also, Illaryio probably married a female blackfyre
there's a good chance aegon is his kid.
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there's a good chance aegon is his kid.
I agree, I think Varys is the brother to Illaryios wife.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:15 PM   #189
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Since we are back to the Aegon issue this is my take on this posted earlier in the thread:
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In addition, the turtle incident on the river was another clue to his blood right, but one could argue that he could become king but he does not have to be a Targaryen.
On the Varys/Illyrio schemes, my theory is that they didn't expect much from the last two Targaryens so they kept them as decoys while they were preparing Aegon's return but it still does not mean he is a fraud propped up by the two.
All in all after a year I'm still of the Aegon Targaryen front.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:19 PM   #190
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In addition, the turtle incident on the river was another clue to his blood right, but one could argue that he could become king but he does not have to be a Targaryen.
On the Varys/Illyrio schemes, my theory is that they didn't expect much from the last two Targaryens so they kept them as decoys while they were preparing Aegon's return but it still does not mean he is a fraud propped up by the two.
All in all after a year I'm still of the Aegon Targaryen front.
You are going to be so disappointed
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You are going to be so disappointed
I like Aegon but I'm not invested in him, to be honest after ADWD I was reminded of the wait for WOT and how the shit aint finished yet so who am I kidding trying hard to keep my enthusiasm up for this one? At this stage I know that the series is definitely going to be stretched into eight books at the least while the next in the series is probably coming out in 5 years or so, thus rendering anticipation and wishes futile.
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I like Aegon but I'm not invested in him, to be honest after ADWD I was reminded of the wait for WOT and how the shit aint finished yet so who am I kidding trying hard to keep my enthusiasm up for this one? At this stage I know that the series is definitely going to be stretched into eight books at the least while the next in the series is probably coming out in 5 years or so, thus rendering anticipation and wishes futile.
You think it's going 8? And I was just busting your balls..
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You think it's going 8? And I was just busting your balls..
Well to me it's obvious but I could be blinded by my frustration at GRRM.
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I don't get why Varys and Illeryrio would do this. Aren't they already all in with Dany? Why throw another claim to the throne in there when they've spent so much time preparing for Dany to take over?

I don't think Dany was ever the key. She was just used to secure Khal Drogo and the Dothraki on Vary's side. I think either Varys and Aegon were used to hedge their bets, or the fake Aegon anyways. All I know was Dany was just a bargaining chip, that is until she hatched dragons.
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I don't think Dany was ever the key. She was just used to secure Khal Drogo and the Dothraki on Vary's side. I think either Varys and Aegon were used to hedge their bets, or the fake Aegon anyways. All I know was Dany was just a bargaining chip, that is until she hatched dragons.
Varys could never have seen Khal Drogo getting so attached to Dany to set aside his fear of the sea since the cause was not of his doing. I think he mentions this somewhere in the book though I'm not sure it's been a year.
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