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Old 04-27-2012, 04:23 PM   #16
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the more reason lebron needs to lower his weight
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:28 PM   #17
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If that's what Stoudemire feels, and it is truly why he is more explosive, then he is the exception rather than the rule.

Pretty much all b-ballers lift these days and it helps them. A decent part of your vertical can potentially come from upper body strength...and obviously lower body strength would help as well.

Most athletic guys in the league:

Lebron, D-Rose, Wade, Westbrook, and Dwight and Blake for their height. All of them are pretty built.


Also, NFL WR's and DB's have ridiculously high verticals. They are pretty built as well.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:33 PM   #18
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If that's what Stoudemire feels, and it is truly why he is more explosive, then he is the exception rather than the rule.

Pretty much all b-ballers lift these days and it helps them. A decent part of your vertical can potentially come from upper body strength...and obviously lower body strength would help as well.

Most athletic guys in the league:

Lebron, D-Rose, Wade, Westbrook, and Dwight and Blake for their height. All of them are pretty built.


Also, NFL WR's and DB's have ridiculously high verticals. They are pretty built as well.

No, I've noticed this for a long time - NBA players today have become so massive that highlight footage today actually looks worse than highlight footage from 20 years ago. The guys today, despite their strength and momentous drives - do NOT have the same spring in their step as guys from previous eras that were smaller (or the spring in their step from when they were a lighter weight version of themselves). 6-3.75 Dwayne Wade likes to play heavier than the 7-0 David Robinson played at in the 1989 Olympic games... Does that make Wade a beast? I'll tell you what it makes him:


Too. ****ing. Heavy.

David Robinson's BMI was 22.5 during the 1989 Olympics (7-0 barefoot, 226lbs)

Dwyane Wade's BMI was 28.8 last season (6-3.75 barefoot, 235)

Healthy BMI range = 18.5 to 24.9

Anything heavier is mild obesity, and anything 30.0 or more is obesity. Dude's mass to height ratio is borderline obesity. Muscle don't mean shit to your bones and joints, the human body is handicapped and injury prone with that kind of mass, not to mention the more massive you are the more your fighting the laws of physics. Dwane Wade will jump highest and run fastest if he optimizes power with a lean physique not a heavy one. I've calculated all the fastest men and the highest leapers of all time, the sprinters BMI is always right about 23.5. The best jumpers are always right about 22.5 - and low and behold the same holds true for NBA athletes that have had the most jaw-dropping hang-time. Wade has basically "bulked up" to the size of the centers from years past and his guard-sized skeleton is not at all doing well with it. The NBA players that cave into the "you gotta put on weight!" crap keep getting injured far younger in their careers than past NBA players used too.

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Old 04-27-2012, 05:37 PM   #19
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From some of the posts in this thread I can tell some people don't understand how the human body works. I'm going to try and stay out of this thread.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:48 PM   #20
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No, I've noticed this for a long time - NBA players today have become so massive that highlight footage today actually looks worse than highlight footage from 20 years ago. The guys today, despite their strength and momentous drives - do NOT have the same spring in their step as guys from previous eras that were smaller (or the spring in their step from when they were a lighter weight version of themselves). 6-3.75 Dwayne Wade likes to play heavier than the 7-0 David Robinson played at in the 1989 Olympic games... Does that make Wade a beast? I'll tell you what it makes him:


Too. ****ing. Heavy.

David Robinson's BMI was 22.5 during the 1989 Olympics (7-0 barefoot, 226lbs)

Dwyane Wade's BMI was 28.8 last season (6-3.75 barefoot, 235)

Healthy BMI range = 18.5 to 24.9

Anything heavier is mild obesity, and anything 30.0 or more is obesity. Dude's mass to height ratio is borderline obesity. Muscle don't mean shit to your bones and joints, the human body is handicapped and injury prone with that kind of mass, not to mention the more massive you are the more your fighting the laws of physics. Dwane Wade will jump highest and run fastest if he optimizes power with a lean physique not a heavy one. I've calculated all the fastest men and the highest leapers of all time, the sprinters BMI is always right about 23.5. The best jumpers are always right about 22.5 - and low and behold the same holds true for NBA athletes that have had the most jaw-dropping hang-time. Wade has basically "bulked up" to the size of the centers from years past and his guard-sized skeleton is not at all doing well with it. The NBA players that cave into the "you gotta put on weight!" crap keep getting injured far younger in their careers than past NBA players used too.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:52 PM   #21
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If that's what Stoudemire feels, and it is truly why he is more explosive, then he is the exception rather than the rule.

Pretty much all b-ballers lift these days and it helps them. A decent part of your vertical can potentially come from upper body strength...and obviously lower body strength would help as well.

Most athletic guys in the league:

Lebron, D-Rose, Wade, Westbrook, and Dwight and Blake for their height. All of them are pretty built.


Also, NFL WR's and DB's have ridiculously high verticals. They are pretty built as well.
you do know you're referring to world class athletes, right? those players are at their physical peak. the point is most of these players can't afford to add extra lbs on their body, especially someone like amar'e who has had knee isuess. 10lbs at amar'es or lebrons current bf% is a big difference. big enough to be harmful in explosiveness or injury wise. this isn't the nfl, most of those guys are freaks of nature, even when compared to elite nba athletes.

same principal as air to fuel ratio in an engine. yes, more fuel can produce more horsepower, but would you increase the intake of fuel in a finely tuned race engine that has spent hundreds of hours on a dyno?
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:05 PM   #22
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OP is dumb.

Look at Jordan before and after.
Look at LBJ before and after.


I'm not going to say that added muscle is a good or bad thing, but Dennis Rodman said in his book, that he was cautious about not gaining too much muscle/weight, he felt more athletic, flexible and agile when he was lean, and he said that was a big part of his game. It allowed him to get to the loose balls, tips and rebounds easier.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:12 PM   #23
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Do you watch basketball hoe ass nygga. Bron is less explosive off the dribble and does not jump as high, just cause the nygga is still athletic does not mean it did not slow him down you fukk ass nygga. MJ was not nowhere near as explosive after 92, I guess you would not know that since you were a 3 year old bytch ass lil kid at the time. Get the fukk out my thread bytch boy, fukkin head would be knocked off commenting to a nygga like me like that in person, fukk nygga.

Am I the only one that's scared?
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Wade's the exact same size as last season, I don't know what you're talking about. He's just injured.

I'm also not convinced Lebron's any bigger than he was his last year in Cleveland, he looks pretty much the same.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:24 PM   #26
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I've known this my whole life. My lack of muscles just proves my superior athleticism.
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you do know you're referring to world class athletes, right? those players are at their physical peak. the point is most of these players can't afford to add extra lbs on their body, especially someone like amar'e who has had knee isuess. 10lbs at amar'es or lebrons current bf% is a big difference. big enough to be harmful in explosiveness or injury wise. this isn't the nfl, most of those guys are freaks of nature, even when compared to elite nba athletes.

same principal as air to fuel ratio in an engine. yes, more fuel can produce more horsepower, but would you increase the intake of fuel in a finely tuned race engine that has spent hundreds of hours on a dyno?
More power is possible when the engine runs on the lean side (no pun intended)
More fuel doesnt mean more power.
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You guys know muscle has quality? For nba players they need more fast- than slow-twitch fibers in their muscle. Which gives them explosiveness. It depends on how you train and your genetic make-up.
Anyway you can't you say "adding muscles is bad".
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:33 PM   #29
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The f*ck? Some people seriously didn't know this?

More muscle = more mass = more weight to try to push up off the ground when going up for a dunk.

That's why the best dunkers in the world aren't in the NBA, because they only work on their hops, whereas NBA players bulk up their entire body.
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Amare is the type of person who wont give full effort unless his body is 100% ready because of his injury history. Combined with the back injury that could end his career if not healed properly, then youve got an amare this year. Amare has been doing this throughout his career thats why his only known to be the mvp of the 2nd half. Or 1st half of last year. His trying to prolong his career by coasting alot of games. And thats the reason why hes so lazy too on defense. But I expect him to give full effort come playoff time.
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