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Old 04-28-2012, 03:30 AM   #16
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Robert Horry. He was amazing on those Houston championships. Also carried the Spurs in game 5 against Detroit. Just one of those rare player that can sleep walk through the regular season and he will bring it on when it matters.
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:31 AM   #17
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:32 AM   #18
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not looking at any stats, just current players that for some reason stick out in my head that I'd trust to step up in playoffs

Dirk
Cp3
Wade
pierce

I also want to say ron... I think he steps up in the playoffs and especially big games. But I dont know if thats just memory screwing me or if its legit and backed by stats. I bet the 4 I named are backed by stats.


I lol'd so hard I almost choked and died when I read lebrons name in this thread... whoever you are... attempted murder
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:32 AM   #19
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Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan and Russell ,Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk, Worthy and Wade off the top of my head. If his career wasn't so limited by injuries, I'd add Penny.

Kareem did from about '74 on, not earlier, but he was skinnier and his arsenal was more limited then. His '74, '77 and '80 playoff runs are perfect examples, and also his play during the '85-'87 playoffs even as an older player.

Bird was often injured in the playoffs, so he's tough to add.

Edit: Forgot about West until I saw JLauber mention him. And I have to add Kevin Johnson.

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Old 04-28-2012, 03:37 AM   #20
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Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan and Russell ,Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk, Worthy and Wade off the top of my head. If his career wasn't so limited by injuries, I'd add Penny.

Kareem did from about '74 on, not earlier, but he was skinnier and his arsenal was more limited then. His '74, '77 and '80 playoff runs are perfect examples, and also his play during the '85-'87 playoffs even as an older player.

Bird was often injured in the playoffs, so he's tough to add.

Edit: Forgot about West until I saw JLauber mention him. And I have to add Kevin Johnson.

When do you think kobes really stepped it up in the playoffs?

To me it seems like his playoffs are always rather similar to his regular seasons.
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:43 AM   #21
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When do you think kobes really stepped it up in the playoffs?

To me it seems like his playoffs are always rather similar to his regular seasons.

His name being mentioned left me scratching my head as well.

I'm sure some will find a game here or there, but he basically plays the same if not slightly worse for his career.
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:49 AM   #22
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When do you think kobes really stepped it up in the playoffs?

To me it seems like his playoffs are always rather similar to his regular seasons.

He stepped up big time from '08-'10, as well as '01. Not as much in '08 because his regular season was so good, but I still thought he was even better in the playoffs. And in '10, he was the best player in the playoffs, but wasn't in the regular season, but that had something to do with health because he was playing MVP-caliber ball the first 2 months, then really struggled, and was also struggling in the OKC series until he got his knee drained and then was back dominating. And in '01, he stepped up more than ever being the 2nd best player in the playoffs. Definitely stepped up in '09, he didn't really have to do as much in the regular season because the Lakers had a dominant regular season and he only played 36 mpg, but had his most consistent playoff run.

He also steps up defensively in the playoffs, and Phil Jackson mentioned in his '04 book that he thought Kobe played smarter in the playoffs knowing more was at stake.
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:51 AM   #23
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MJ, Hakeem, Russell, Dirk, and West.

And before someone slams Chamberlain, who had impossible regular seasons, he STILL elevated his rebounding in the post-season. Not only that, but he was SHUTTING DOWN his OPPOSING centers (and team's) in the post-season, too. He only allowed two known opposing centers to shoot over 50% in his 29 post-season series. One of them was Zelmo Beaty in the '64 WCF's, who shot .521. However, he only averaged 14.3 ppg, while Chamberlain averaged 38.6 ppg, 23.0 rpg, and shot .559. And Jerry Lucas shot an even .500 in the '72 Finals...but after the first half of the first game of that series, when he shot 9-11, he only shot 37-81 the rest of that series (.457.) Meanwhile, Chamberlain won the FMVP in that series, with a 19.4 ppg, 23.2 rpg, and .600 Finals.

Wilt held Kareem to .481 and .457 shooting in their two consecutive H2H's in '71 and '72 (in seasons that Kareem shot .577 and .574.) He outshot Thurmond in their three post-season H2H series by margins of .500-.392; .550-.398; and .560 to .343. He held Russell to around .420 in the '62 ECF's, and .358 in the '67 ECF's. In addition, there was a good chance he held Russell to worse than .400
shooting in the '64 Finals, and the '69 Finals. He held Kerr to .376 and .296 in the '62 and '60 playoffs. And he held Bellamy, who had shot .541 in the regular season, to .421 shooting in the '68 playoffs.

And before someone "rips" his 22.5 ppg post-season scoring average...he only played 52 of his 160 post-season games, in his "scoring" seasons (and 30 of those were against Russell.) And, in his first 67 post-season games, he STILL averaged 30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, and shot .515 (in leagues that shot .428 on average in that span.)

Even in his first 80 post-season games, which came thru his 67-68 season, and was exactly half of his entire post-season games, he STILL averaged 29.3 ppg, 26.6 rpg, 4.8 apg, and shot .518 (in leagues that shot .430 in that span.)

He had post-seasons of 33.2 ppg, 34.7 ppg, 35.0 ppg, and 37.0 ppg. He had post-season series of 37.0 ppg, 37.0 ppg, 38.6 ppg, and 38.7 ppg. He also had four post-season series, just against RUSSELL, of between 30-34 ppg, including a seven games series in the '65 ECF's of 30 ppg and 31 rpg. And he had FOUR 50+ point games in his post-season career, including THREE in "must-win elimination" games. He also had FOUR 40-30 games, just against RUSSELL in their post-season H2H's. And late in his career, and only four months after major knee surgery, he hung a 45-27 game in yet another "must win" game.

And in his SIX Finals, covering 35 Finals games, he shot between .517 to .625 in those six series (while generally dramatically outshooting his opposing centers in the process.)

And once again, he ELEVATED his rebounding...going from a regular season average of 22.9 rpg, to 24.5 rpg. He also outrebounded EVERY opposing center in those 29 post-season series, including RUSSELL in EIGHT of them. And in some he outrebonded them by HUGE margins.

Finally, for those that may have missed it...

Wilt had some forgetabble Game 7 performances.
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:04 AM   #24
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He stepped up big time from '08-'10, as well as '01. Not as much in '08 because his regular season was so good, but I still thought he was even better in the playoffs. And in '10, he was the best player in the playoffs, but wasn't in the regular season, but that had something to do with health because he was playing MVP-caliber ball the first 2 months, then really struggled, and was also struggling in the OKC series until he got his knee drained and then was back dominating. And in '01, he stepped up more than ever being the 2nd best player in the playoffs. Definitely stepped up in '09, he didn't really have to do as much in the regular season because the Lakers had a dominant regular season and he only played 36 mpg, but had his most consistent playoff run.

He also steps up defensively in the playoffs, and Phil Jackson mentioned in his '04 book that he thought Kobe played smarter in the playoffs knowing more was at stake.

Youre right. I checked the stats for anyone that wants to see:

Reg vs Playoffs

01 - 29 6 5 vs 29 7 6
02 - 25 6 6 vs 27 6 5
03 - 30 7 6 vs 32 5 5
04 - 24 5 5 vs 25 5 6
05 - 28 6 6 vs xxx
06 - 35 5 5 vs 28 6 5
07 - 32 6 5 vs 33 5 4
08 - 28 6 5 vs 30 6 6
09 - 27 5 5 vs 30 5 6
10 - 27 5 5 vs 30 6 5
11 - 25 5 5 vs 23 3 3

I'm impressed. Its also interesting, never knew this, he has never had 2 consecutively better seasons than the last. Its always up down up down up down tie down down up. Never up up. Weird!

Thats definitely a player that steps up in the playoffs tho.... At least, especially some years. But his average is 25.4 in regular season, and 25.4 in playoffs. Dirks is 3 pts higher. Hmm.
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Old 04-28-2012, 07:19 AM   #25
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Old 04-28-2012, 07:22 AM   #26
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Off the top of my head...

MJ, Hakeem, Russell, Dirk, and West.

And before someone slams Chamberlain, who had impossible regular seasons, he STILL elevated his rebounding in the post-season. Not only that, but he was SHUTTING DOWN his OPPOSING centers (and team's) in the post-season, too. He only allowed two known opposing centers to shoot over 50% in his 29 post-season series. One of them was Zelmo Beaty in the '64 WCF's, who shot .521. However, he only averaged 14.3 ppg, while Chamberlain averaged 38.6 ppg, 23.0 rpg, and shot .559. And Jerry Lucas shot an even .500 in the '72 Finals...but after the first half of the first game of that series, when he shot 9-11, he only shot 37-81 the rest of that series (.457.) Meanwhile, Chamberlain won the FMVP in that series, with a 19.4 ppg, 23.2 rpg, and .600 Finals.

Wilt held Kareem to .481 and .457 shooting in their two consecutive H2H's in '71 and '72 (in seasons that Kareem shot .577 and .574.) He outshot Thurmond in their three post-season H2H series by margins of .500-.392; .550-.398; and .560 to .343. He held Russell to around .420 in the '62 ECF's, and .358 in the '67 ECF's. In addition, there was a good chance he held Russell to worse than .400 shooting in the '64 Finals, and the '69 Finals. He held Kerr to .376 and .296 in the '62 and '60 playoffs. And he held Bellamy, who had shot .541 in the regular season, to .421 shooting in the '68 playoffs.

And before someone "rips" his 22.5 ppg post-season scoring average...he only played 52 of his 160 post-season games, in his "scoring" seasons (and 30 of those were against Russell.) And, in his first 67 post-season games, he STILL averaged 30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, and shot .515 (in leagues that shot .428 on average in that span.)

Even in his first 80 post-season games, which came thru his 67-68 season, and was exactly half of his entire post-season games, he STILL averaged 29.3 ppg, 26.6 rpg, 4.8 apg, and shot .518 (in leagues that shot .430 in that span.)

He had post-seasons of 33.2 ppg, 34.7 ppg, 35.0 ppg, and 37.0 ppg. He had post-season series of 37.0 ppg, 37.0 ppg, 38.6 ppg, and 38.7 ppg. He also had four post-season series, just against RUSSELL, of between 30-34 ppg, including a seven games series in the '65 ECF's of 30 ppg and 31 rpg. And he had FOUR 50+ point games in his post-season career, including THREE in "must-win elimination" games. He also had FOUR 40-30 games, just against RUSSELL in their post-season H2H's. And late in his career, and only four months after major knee surgery, he hung a 45-27 game in yet another "must win" game.

And in his SIX Finals, covering 35 Finals games, he shot between .517 to .625 in those six series (while generally dramatically outshooting his opposing centers in the process.)

And once again, he ELEVATED his rebounding...going from a regular season average of 22.9 rpg, to 24.5 rpg. He also outrebounded EVERY opposing center in those 29 post-season series, including RUSSELL in EIGHT of them. And in some he outrebonded them by HUGE margins.

Finally, for those that may have missed it...

What an insecure ph4ggot..

This sucker is even defending Wilt without anyone actually writing anything negative about him, wow..
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:19 AM   #27
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What an insecure ph4ggot..

This sucker is even defending Wilt without anyone actually writing anything negative about him, wow..

im amazed he can remember all those stats. That is ******ging at its finest.

Wilt is irrelevent. The dude played in an era where colour cameras were a rarity. Therefore none of his moves look flashy therefore i don't wanna know the kunt
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what Z-Bo did last year in the playoffs was insane!!
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