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Old 05-03-2012, 04:52 AM   #16
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The only racional explanation it's because you have 2 good PG's like Jackson and Lopez, but even that it's not enough.
There was a rumour about him being a locker room problem, but that's all.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:09 PM   #17
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Maga, just a clarification. Satoransky doesn't play for CAI Zaragoza, he plays for Sevilla (if I'm not mistaken).
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:23 PM   #18
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Maga, just a clarification. Satoransky doesn't play for CAI Zaragoza, he plays for Sevilla (if I'm not mistaken).

Yea, my bad.
He's in Cajasol Sevilla.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:30 AM   #19
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Greek media said that Pappas will sign a 3 year contract with Malaga, if they keep their Euroleague contract, which it looks like they will.

I think that's another mistake by Pappas and his manager. First going to Bilbao with a coach that apparently didn't like him, then signing with a club that is so poorly run in Malaga.

He would do better to go to Panathinaikos or Olympiacos, or I think even a club like Panionios for a year if they qualify to the Euroleague.

No one except Freeland seems to do well in Malaga.
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:25 PM   #20
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I mean, take someone like Khvostov. He was not drafted and is just as athletic probably as Nedovic is. He's also better and has actual point guard skills. But he does not make flashy highlight reel plays like Nedovic does.

Khvostov max vert = 27'
Nedovic max vert = 41'

Nedovic has really got good upside, he shows flashes of what he could become, but I agree that he could/should be better right now...
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:51 AM   #21
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Khvostov max vert = 27'
Nedovic max vert = 41'

Nedovic has really got good upside, he shows flashes of what he could become, but I agree that he could/should be better right now...


That's not the correct vertical for Khvostov. Please don't tell me you actually believe what draftexpress.com claims?

That site has so many errors it's ridiculous.
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That's not the correct vertical for Khvostov. Please don't tell me you actually believe what draftexpress.com claims?

That site has so many errors it's ridiculous.

Draftexpress.com > You.

Who can take the words of someone who says Sofo is 10x Camby and Kaman seriously?
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Draftexpress.com > You.

Who can take the words of someone who says Sofo is 10x Camby and Kaman seriously?

Go troll the NBA forum jerk.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:34 PM   #25
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Supposedly Bilbao signed Zisis, but he denied it.

Zisis/Lopez
Blums/Vasileiadis
Mumbru/Grimau
Banic/Hervelle
Fischer/Mavroeidis

Damn..that's a nice team, IF true.

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Old 05-14-2012, 09:51 PM   #26
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After the Euroleague Final Four, I am hearing from most European scouts that the NBA scouts that were in attendance are all saying that the 3 young Greeks, Kostas Sloukas, Vangelis Mantzaris, and Kostas Papanikolaou all have a good chance to be drafted.

It amazes me at how stupid these NBA scouts are. That they would need to see these guys playing at a Euroleague Final Four to just now grasp that they can play in the NBA. The fact that before the Final Four, they were apparently not considered NBA material is pretty much proof of how pathetic these NBA scouts really are.

Like they really think any college age kid can be a key rotation player for a club like Olympiacos in Euroleague?

Anyway, I feel bad for Pappas. He's the best of all the young Greeks and evidently he's not even on the NBA draft radar. Katsikaris really screwed him.

I am starting to think that he did it on orders of the Greek Basketball Federation so that they keep the NBA from knowing how good he is, so that Panathinaikos can scoop him up long term cheaply.

It also seems that Shved will be playing in the NBA next year, according to everyone I have talked to.

BTW, for all the NBA only fan Spanoulis haters out there, who in this forum say he is a scrub that isn't good enough for the NBA...........the European scouts all said that every NBA scout in attendance was blown away by how he ran his team as a point guard.

They were apparently all extremely impressed at his basketball IQ, decision making, and his clutch ability in big games and big moments. A couple European scouts said that more than one NBA scout in attendance said that NBA teams would be fighting over Spanoulis the instant he said he wanted to play there.

The NBA scouts also were apparently high on Keselj, who is a huge talent that is just finally starting to show some signs of his ability, Navarro (as always), and Teodosic.

From what I hear, even though he played awful in the second half of the final, the NBA scouts still were really impressed by his talent level.

The NBA scouts were also said to be very high on Printezis after how he played.

This stuff is funny though, it really is. That these NBA scouts get paid so much money, yet they can't even identify if a Euroleague player can play in the NBA without seeing him "in person" at a Euroleague Final Four.

The NBA teams REALLY need to fire their scouts. They are obviously a bunch of incompetent morons.

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Old 05-15-2012, 04:08 AM   #27
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Supposedly Bilbao signed Zisis, but he denied it.

Zisis/Lopez
Blums/Vasileiadis
Mumbru/Grimau
Banic/Hervelle
Fischer/Mavroeidis

Damn..that's a nice team, IF true.
Both Fischer and Banic are no locks to be here next season.

We need a good scoring SG too.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:38 AM   #28
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Both Fischer and Banic are no locks to be here next season.

We need a good scoring SG too.

Fischer is too limited on offense. You can replace him with someone better for the money. You better not lose Banic though.

As for another scoring SG, why not go after someone like Vidal or Rafa Martinez?
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Fischer is too limited on offense. You can replace him with someone better for the money. You better not lose Banic though.

As for another scoring SG, why not go after someone like Vidal or Rafa Martinez?
Barcelona seems to be interested in Martínez, and even if they don't get him, Valencia is a place/team as good as us, so why move?

The problem with letting Banic go is simply because of money. If Fischer leaves (I'm sure he will), we need to sign an starting PG and C. And it's not like Blums is good enough to start either.
On the other hand, we already got Hervelle, which Katsikaris seems to like more than Banic, so I guess Banic won't be the top priority.
That said, he's the player most loved here, so I hope he stays.
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Barcelona seems to be interested in Martínez, and even if they don't get him, Valencia is a place/team as good as us, so why move?

The problem with letting Banic go is simply because of money. If Fischer leaves (I'm sure he will), we need to sign an starting PG and C. And it's not like Blums is good enough to start either.
On the other hand, we already got Hervelle, which Katsikaris seems to like more than Banic, so I guess Banic won't be the top priority.
That said, he's the player most loved here, so I hope he stays.

Since you have the Greek connection going....(even though Katsikaris wrecked Pappas),

I would make a suggestion for a Greek player. Vassilis Kavvadas. Sure, he can probably only play 10 minutes now in ACB or Euroleague, for a team that has aspirations like Bilbao.

He plays about 10 minutes now in Panionios, which to me is easily the 3rd best team in Greek League, and has a lot of veteran players on the roster. But, this kid is really tough.

I think, with the right work ethic and coaching, this kid could be a freak in a few years.

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