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Old 05-10-2012, 06:57 AM   #46
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He's still a much better fit for this team than Amare.

LOL when actually its melo who cant fit with any player. Its not just amare who sucked but lin too once melo joined them. Amare won 3 out of 4 with lin while melo 2 out of 10. 3>>>>2. Melo is lebron without the all around game. IF its hard to build around lebron then its much harder to build around melo. Id rather build around ray allen/miller than melo. Those 2 are much more successful career wise. While the only time melo made it past the first round was when he was posting his worse stats of his career. Thats all you need to know how bad he is. He isnt a franchise player. Hes a cancer or low impact player.
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why do people blame amares defense when they had no problem winning with him during linsanity. The real problem is melo cant fit with lin and amare because hes a cancer. Really the team won 3 out of 4 with amare while 2 out of 10. Its really obvious really who the problem is but still we chose to retain him. This team isnt going anywhere until we rid of him.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:55 AM   #48
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Linsanity was a farce that had a cupcake schedule. Woodson and Melo won games at the end of the season without Lin and Amare, playing several of the best teams in the league repeatedly, which is far more indicative of success in the future. Defense and rebounding wins in this league. With Amare out the Knicks were a suffocating defense, and Meloball was enough of an offense to win games.

I have no doubts that Lin will integrate his game into the Melo centric offense. It is our frontcourt that has problems. That frontcourt disrupts Melo's post touches because there is no spacing. Amare is not properly utilized without a PG, and even when Lin was playing, Lin favored Chandler over Amare in his pick and rolls. So if anyone is the least fit on this roster, it is obviously Amare, who is offensively useful in only one single dimension, and outside of that, he can't rebound, defend, or contribute worth a damn.

Since Amar'e is not going anywhere either time soon, either Woodson drills help defense and positioning into his head, or the guy comes off the bench. We will need someone to replace JR's production off the bench, anyway.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:42 PM   #49
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And to think, we were having such a healthy discussion
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:27 PM   #50
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A perfectly assembled Knicks team IMO (unrealistic obviously due to CAP concerns but nevertheless)

Rondo
Shumpert
Melo
P. Gasol
Chandler

BENCH

Lin
A. Parker
Jeffries
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:18 PM   #51
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throw the MLE at Nash before Lin

bring in shooters with the minimum

Nash or Lin/Bibby/Douglas
Shumpert/Fields
Melo/Shooter
Amar'e/Jeffries
Chandler/Harrelson

Unfortunately we can't do it this offseason.

Re-signing Lin uses up our $5 Million MLE for the upcoming season.

All we'll have left is the BAE(Bi-annual Exception) which is about $2 Million per year for only 2 seasons. If Nash wants to take a major paycut like that to join the Knicks then I'd be excited.
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:43 AM   #52
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melo plus a pg isnt going anywhere. They dont fit. They dont make each other better. Whereas a pg/amare is a proven duo. Just give those suns teams a center and youll win it all. And the difference with woodson and dantoni is dantoni won with cohesion on offense while woodson win through defense. Woodson style is not sustainable longterm just like thibs. He wins but at the same time sacrifices the health of its players.

People forgot the time when melo went to the wcf is the time when he had his worse season. The fewer points melo score, the better the team is. Just look at denver now, they are forcing game 7.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:56 AM   #53
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melo plus a pg isnt going anywhere. They dont fit. They dont make each other better. Whereas a pg/amare is a proven duo. Just give those suns teams a center and youll win it all. And the difference with woodson and dantoni is dantoni won with cohesion on offense while woodson win through defense. Woodson style is not sustainable longterm just like thibs. He wins but at the same time sacrifices the health of its players.

People forgot the time when melo went to the wcf is the time when he had his worse season. The fewer points melo score, the better the team is. Just look at denver now, they are forcing game 7.

Melo + a quality pg= WCF

The year the Nuggets got to the WCF, he avg 27 a game in the playoffs to go with 6 rpg and 4 apg. Thats the 3rd highest he's scored per game in the playoffs. Bye Bye to your argument?

D'Antoni had
Nash
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Marion
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Melo
Wilson Chandler
Tyson Chandler
Raymond Felton

My goodness. How much talent do you want to give the guy?
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Melo + a quality pg= WCF

The year the Nuggets got to the WCF, he avg 27 a game in the playoffs to go with 6 rpg and 4 apg. Thats the 3rd highest he's scored per game in the playoffs. Bye Bye to your argument?

D'Antoni had
Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Marbury
Amare
Diaw
Q Rich
Gallo
Melo
Wilson Chandler
Tyson Chandler
Raymond Felton

My goodness. How much talent do you want to give the guy?

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a quality pg to run the rest of the team while dumping it to melo when it counts. melo cant run a team under pressure so he iso's everything for himself.

and those players under dantoni were in their primes
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:44 AM   #55
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Melo + a quality pg= WCF

The year the Nuggets got to the WCF, he avg 27 a game in the playoffs to go with 6 rpg and 4 apg. Thats the 3rd highest he's scored per game in the playoffs. Bye Bye to your argument?

D'Antoni had
Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Marbury
Amare
Diaw
Q Rich
Gallo
Melo
Wilson Chandler
Tyson Chandler
Raymond Felton

My goodness. How much talent do you want to give the guy?

I said in the regular season which means that hes not the reason they became contenders.

Dantoni had no center and the year they have a chance was when they got screwed. But still dantoni>>>>melo. 1 conference finals with him not really the reason why they went there versus 2 conference finals and 1 finals(spurs/suns rigged game was the finals that time)
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I said in the regular season which means that hes not the reason they became contenders.

Dantoni had no center and the year they have a chance was when they got screwed. But still dantoni>>>>melo. 1 conference finals with him not really the reason why they went there versus 2 conference finals and 1 finals(spurs/suns rigged game was the finals that time)

Melo was the leading scorer but yea... had nothing to do with them getting there right? I guess you forgot how well he steped it up defensively that year in the playoffs

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I said in the regular season which means that hes not the reason they became contenders.

Dantoni had no center and the year they have a chance was when they got screwed. But still dantoni>>>>melo. 1 conference finals with him not really the reason why they went there versus 2 conference finals and 1 finals(spurs/suns rigged game was the finals that time)
Well how do you explain the Suns making the WCF even after D'antoni left?
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They went back to running D'antoni's stuff when they got rid of Terry Porter.

And Nash + Amar'e is a great combo.
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They went back to running D'antoni's stuff when they got rid of Terry Porter.

And Nash + Amar'e was a great combo.

Had to fix that for you.

I dont have too much faith in a 38 year old Nash & 30 year old Amare moving forward.

They'd be good together due to their chemistry, but it'd be like bringing back sitcoms like Martin or Seinfeld with the original cast after all these years and expecting it to be as good as the old days.
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Fair enough, but Nash can obviously still ball. He was, like, second in the league in assists this year, and he wasn't throwing passes to guys like Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen.

Besides, the Knicks aren't building for the future. The future is here. Amar'e isn't going to be more athletic in 5 years, and Carmelo isn't going to be thinner.

3 years tops to contend with this core.
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