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Old 06-05-2012, 10:40 PM   #121
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Thats not true though. Of course the Knicks aren't the same! Most teams draft their core or studs unlike the Knicks who buy all there players. There is no room to make moves. The Spurs are a terrible example though but your point is understood.

Well, we've been unable to do such a thing because we've been in a hole for 11 years. I really think we could've really turned this thing around doing the rebuilding through the Draft if we had a savy Front Office who did whatever it took to get the best talent.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:21 PM   #122
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Well, we've been unable to do such a thing because we've been in a hole for 11 years. I really think we could've really turned this thing around doing the rebuilding through the Draft if we had a savy Front Office who did whatever it took to get the best talent.
in theory it would have been ideal to do that but Walsh and Co. dumped picks to dump salary for the LBJ summer!
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:26 PM   #123
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Whether you build through the draft or not, you eventually have to pay players. Futhermore, unless you have awfu seasons, the chances of you getting a Carmelo or Amare caliber player is slim. We don't need to rebuild our core. We need quality role players. Those guys can be found for cheap. You just have to do your hw. we don't need all stars. we just need guys who we can plug in to help out and allow our stars to get a breather.
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Whether you build through the draft or not, you eventually have to pay players. Futhermore, unless you have awfu seasons, the chances of you getting a Carmelo or Amare caliber player is slim. We don't need to rebuild our core. We need quality role players. Those guys can be found for cheap. You just have to do your hw. we don't need all stars. we just need guys who we can plug in to help out and allow our stars to get a breather.

Has an NBA team that bought all there players been successful? The Knicks arent about building the right way sorry. The Knicks are the only team that hasnt taken its lumps and drafted a cornerstone type player. NOT 1! The Knicks just dont believe in doing things right.

You cant buy a core and expect to get good role players.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:43 AM   #125
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Has an NBA team that bought all there players been successful? The Knicks arent about building the right way sorry. The Knicks are the only team that hasnt taken its lumps and drafted a cornerstone type player. NOT 1! The Knicks just dont believe in doing things right.

You cant buy a core and expect to get good role players.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:51 AM   #126
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Has an NBA team that bought all there players been successful? The Knicks arent about building the right way sorry. The Knicks are the only team that hasnt taken its lumps and drafted a cornerstone type player. NOT 1! The Knicks just dont believe in doing things right.

You cant buy a core and expect to get good role players.

Yea but even if you get the right draft pick, it doesn't mean you get the right player. We very well could get a top 3 pick and blow it. Some people end up with the Carmelo Anthonys of the world and some people end up with Darko. I personally don't trust the Knicks with a top 3 pick to draft a superstar so I certainly don't have a problem signing one. End of the day, like I said before, it's not Melo and Amare that's the problem anyway. It's the supporting cast. When you give Tyson Chandler the contract we did, you kinda limit yourself on who that supporting cast could be. For all the talks of how much we spent on Melo and Amare, imagine what our roster could be If we went out and got a solid center at an affordable price. We'd have plenty of money to get a sg AND pg. Resigning Lin wouldn't even be a topic. That would be an easy decision.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:52 PM   #127
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Has an NBA team that bought all there players been successful? The Knicks arent about building the right way sorry. The Knicks are the only team that hasnt taken its lumps and drafted a cornerstone type player. NOT 1! The Knicks just dont believe in doing things right.

You cant buy a core and expect to get good role players.

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Old 06-06-2012, 01:56 PM   #128
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Yea but even if you get the right draft pick, it doesn't mean you get the right player. We very well could get a top 3 pick and blow it. Some people end up with the Carmelo Anthonys of the world and some people end up with Darko. I personally don't trust the Knicks with a top 3 pick to draft a superstar so I certainly don't have a problem signing one. End of the day, like I said before, it's not Melo and Amare that's the problem anyway. It's the supporting cast. When you give Tyson Chandler the contract we did, you kinda limit yourself on who that supporting cast could be. For all the talks of how much we spent on Melo and Amare, imagine what our roster could be If we went out and got a solid center at an affordable price. We'd have plenty of money to get a sg AND pg. Resigning Lin wouldn't even be a topic. That would be an easy decision.

We agree on points. I was shocked about Chandler but its done. Either Melo and Stat arent good enough to play with him or the coaches aren't good enough to make it work.

You look at every NBA team they have drafted players that they develop and build around. Its not just superstars but its also the bench that come from drafted players.

Honestly the Knicks arent going to find GOOD role players because they most likely will be on teams but the Knicks have to skower through teams CAST OFFS for servicable players that can be GOOD!


The NBA has a salary cap, the point being YOU CAN NOT BUY AN ENTIRE ROSTER!

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Old 06-06-2012, 04:53 PM   #129
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We agree on points. I was shocked about Chandler but its done. Either Melo and Stat arent good enough to play with him or the coaches aren't good enough to make it work.

You look at every NBA team they have drafted players that they develop and build around. Its not just superstars but its also the bench that come from drafted players.

Honestly the Knicks arent going to find GOOD role players because they most likely will be on teams but the Knicks have to skower through teams CAST OFFS for servicable players that can be GOOD!


The NBA has a salary cap, the point being YOU CAN NOT BUY AN ENTIRE ROSTER!

I agree but this is what happens when you give Walsh all the credit in the world for creating cap space. In the end, he gave up draft picks when he was here too. End of the day, we tanked seasons to get cap space for Lebron. But in the end, by the time we bcome contenders, those guys contracts would have been long gone anyway.

The MLE was created to help teams. We've blown it and not used it to our advantage. Wasn't Jeffries a MLE guy?
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We should have blown up the team after the 1999 Finals, sucked for a few years, and rebuilt. Who knows. Maybe we would have gotten the #1 pick in 2004, and gotten Lebron through the draft.

Instead Isiah Thomas was tasked with rebuilding while also being asked get the team into the playoffs, because of how lucrative they are. That is completely different from the leniency that Donnie Walsh was given to "just clear cap space", and given a free pass to lose as much as needed.
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We should have blown up the team after the 1999 Finals, sucked for a few years, and rebuilt. Who knows. Maybe we would have gotten the #1 pick in 2004, and gotten Lebron through the draft.

Instead Isiah Thomas was tasked with rebuilding while also being asked get the team into the playoffs, because of how lucrative they are. That is completely different from the leniency that Donnie Walsh was given to "just clear cap space", and given a free pass to lose as much as needed.

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Default Re: Trades,Free Agency, Draft Thread

Well of course zeke and walsh failed in their own ways.

Point being no matter what happened historically this team will not ever be able to compete without drafting. Their just isnt enough cap space to buy the players needed to be successful.

Yes Jared was a MLE 5 year 30 mill player I think.
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Knicks get - Luke Walton + Maggette + Motiejunas + pick 16(Royce WHite) + pick 24 (Jared Cunningham)

Rockets get- Amare + Toney Douglas + future Knicks 1st

Bobcats get- Kevin Martin + Scola

Cavs get- Tyrus Thomas + Knicks 2nd




This is the how could the knicks get young talent trade.

Cunningham/Shumpert/Lin/Davis
JR Smith/Maggette
Carmelo/Novak/Walton
motiejunas/Royce White
Chandler/Camby/harrelson/Jordan
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in the more realistic realm- how is this not a great trade for both teams

Ben g + villenueva + a daye
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Amare + t douglas


(shumpert)/Lin/ben g
JR smith/ben g
Carmelo/novak
A daye/Villenueva
Chandler/Camby
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The GM that trades for Amare wants to lose his job thats why.....
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