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Old 05-08-2012, 03:35 AM   #16
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

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You're the same type of idiot who wouldn't trade Noah for Dwight Howard because Noah is a team guy and he loves the Bulls. Please, enough with this shit. You can still be a fan of a team and point out their problems. The major problem is that other than Derrick Rose this team doesn't have a true superstar player and they're going nowhere without one. Once Rose goes down like he did in these playoffs it's just obvious how much the Bulls need someone like Dwight Howard.

It's funny how two great seasons makes people on here all of a sudden get ADD and forget how shitty this organization has been run since the Jordan era. Next thing you know you'll be claiming that John Paxson was a great GM.

Yeah, tank next season... there's an idea. Rather than you know try and improve this current team through trades and signings? Sign a point guard who can replace Rose until he comes back and offer anyone but Rose to the Magic for Dwight Howard.
It's not really a tank job it is playing it safe.


And I didn't want Dwight here because HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE. It's ****ing obvious to everyone with a brain. So no, I wouldn't go all out trying to trade for a guyx thay doesnt respect our org or HIS org even.....why trade Noah, a loyal soldier for a guy lime that?


Pax has done a pretty good job. Our org has just hit a rough patch. It's not time to trade everyone away it is time to lick our wounds and try and get Rose healthy. If by chance he does not get there then and only then do we invest in another PG.


THERE WAS A BIGS VACUUM LEFT BY JORDAN. I SUFFERED THROUGH BAD SEASONS LIKE A LOYAL FAN WHILE YOU PROBABLY TALKED SHIT AMD ONLY CAME BACK TO THE BANDWAGON AFTER WE GOT GOOD AGAIN.

**** you you bitch. You're the worst kind of disloyal rat.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:07 AM   #17
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

After several years of growing pains, our team was ready to contend, and it's so sad to see that those days may be already over.

I still can't get my head around how unlucky (or medically unprepared) we have been these last two seasons.

I'm in for suffering one more season for a greater cause, but tanking sounds depressing. I hope our guys will fight for wins and improve in the process but lose more games in the end, especially if Rose isn't coming back next season. That would be more bearable than having a Bobcats type season.

That possible high pick + Charlotte's pick + Mirotic should give us enough pieces to pull some trades or have some young and promising rookies in our roster for the 2013-14 season. Hopefully Rose will be %100 by then, too.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:14 PM   #18
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

LMAO at Go Getter giving Paxson credit for this team. The ONLY thing this idiot has really done right is draft Derrick Rose.

Like I said, it seems a lot of people on here seemed to have forgotten what a joke the Front Office was up until a couple seasons ago.

You guys on here are becoming just as bad as the Lakers and Heat fans who can't take any criticism. I thought the Bulls fans on here were better than that. I was obviously wrong.

Also, Go Getter, you signed up in August 2008 right after Rose was drafted to the Bulls. Where were you on the old ezboard forum or this forum in 2006?

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Old 05-08-2012, 01:22 PM   #19
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LMAO at Go Getter giving Paxson credit for this team. The ONLY thing this idiot has really done right is draft Derrick Rose.
What about drafting Noah at #9? A lot of people, including myself, did not see Noah worthy of that high pick, but he turned out to be the second or third best player of that class behind Durant and maybe Horford.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:42 PM   #20
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I don't think people are turning heir backs on the Bulls players, more like seeing the real truth.



God forbid if something like this were to happen again and Rose gets hurt, we now know that we don't have the guys that can step it up in his absence. Deng, yea he's been hurt but it seems like he hasn't even tried since Rose went out. I'd rather him shoot it 19 times then CJ. Booz, just made some terrible mistakes, played well but only now he decided to show up, he was Awol in the first 3 games. I give it to Noah and Gibson, they showed up.




We just need to acquire more offensively skilled players. Mayo, jr, he'll even lin. People that can create for themselves and possibly others.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:52 PM   #21
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Guys, we seriously don't have cap space. Even amnestying Amnesty, only gives us 15 off the books. Which isn't much considering we still have to resign Taj, and Asik(who can only make 5 mil, but still) Plus we have a first rounder this year that we have to pay. this is basically the team for the foreseeable future.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

What has Pax really done that's been terrible? He could have been better of course, but other than the Aldridge for Thomas ****-up... there isn't much. Sure, he could have endorsed overpaying Gordon and we could be the ATL Hawks of the league for the next 5 years. If we're talking about superstars, they don't want to play in Chicago. We saw what happened in 2010... the org went all out, and this is the city of Chicago we're talking about, and all we got was Boozer and some good role-players.
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What has Pax really done that's been terrible? He could have been better of course, but other than the Aldridge for Thomas ****-up... there isn't much. Sure, he could have endorsed overpaying Gordon and we could be the ATL Hawks of the league for the next 5 years. If we're talking about superstars, they don't want to play in Chicago. We saw what happened in 2010... the org went all out, and this is the city of Chicago we're talking about, and all we got was Boozer and some good role-players.



Too big of a shadow for these generation of players, except Rose.




But players still flock to LA. Boston has the same problem but they were lucky to trade for guys starving for a title like KG and ray.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:11 PM   #24
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Too big of a shadow for these generation of players, except Rose.




But players still flock to LA. Boston has the same problem but they were lucky to trade for guys starving for a title like KG and ray.
Well LA is Hollywood and it's money... those franchises have amazing histories but one thing is that no one was as polarizing or recent as MJ.. or as good. Another thing is that they've had multiple stars. There's no specific legacy to live up to.
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What has Pax really done that's been terrible? He could have been better of course, but other than the Aldridge for Thomas ****-up... there isn't much. Sure, he could have endorsed overpaying Gordon and we could be the ATL Hawks of the league for the next 5 years. If we're talking about superstars, they don't want to play in Chicago. We saw what happened in 2010... the org went all out, and this is the city of Chicago we're talking about, and all we got was Boozer and some good role-players.

- Trading LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas in the 2006 draft.

- Refusing to part ways with Luol Deng for Pau Gasol.

- Trading JR Smith for nothing.

- Letting the players get away with quitting on Skiles and firing Skiles.

- Getting into a physical altercation with then head coach Vinny Del Negro.
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- Trading LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas in the 2006 draft.

- Refusing to part ways with Luol Deng for Pau Gasol.

- Trading JR Smith for nothing.

- Letting the players get away with quitting on Skiles and firing Skiles.

- Getting into a physical altercation with then head coach Vinny Del Negro.


Drafted Kirk Hinrich

Worked a draft day deal to get us Luol Deng

Drafted Joakim Noah

Worked a draft day deal to get us Omer Asik

Drafted Taj Gibson

Drafted Derrick Rose

Hired Tom Thibodeau

Signed Carlos Boozer (Best free agent left after everyone else chose other teams)

Signed Richard Hamilton, Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer

Sure he made some questionable decisions and if we could go back in time we'd change some things, but overall I feel he's done more positive work than not.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

I know everyone is frustrated and upset about how this season turned out, but the truth of the matter is that we're in this position only because of unfortunate injuries which are unpredictable and you can't really be ready for them.

Sure you can plan for things like that to happen, but when the injuries literally effect your top 4-5 players there's not much you can do. Rose with his ACL. Deng with the ongoing wrist. Noah now with his ankle. Rip with his numerous injuries.

We lost our best player in Derrick Rose.

I want to see the Thunder without Durant, the Lakers without Kobe, the Heat without Kobe, the Spurs without Parker... You think any of those teams remain contenders if any of those players are out with season ending injuries? NO. Point blank.

We were a contender and we will continue to be a contender for a long time as long as Rose recovers.

What differs is our opinions on how we can improve this roster until we get guys back and healthy. I think our depth was a little overrated. Sure we have good depth and our bench is better than the majority of other teams but our depth is filled in with guys who are defensively oriented or specialists such as Korver being primarily a shooter or Brewer being primarily a lock down defender. Sure you need guys like this, but what we need to add is a few versatile guys who more of an all around skill set and more offensive minded.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:09 PM   #28
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Definitely keep:

Derrick Rose, Richard Hamilton, Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, Kyle Korver, Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler.

Some guys on this current roster I might consider letting go or trading away:

Ronnie Brewer
Mike James
John Lucas III
CJ Watson
Brian Scalabrine
Omer Asik
Carlos Boozer

Now I don't want it to seem like I want a complete overhaul because that's not the case. I wouldn't mind having some of those guys back as long as its for the right price and if an alternative deal or signing isn't out there.

I would look into bringing in some of the following:

Kirk Hinrich, Randy Foye, Delonte West, OJ Mayo, Ray Allen, Landry Fields, Nick Young, JR Smith, Shannon Brown, Gerald Green, Terrence Williams, Danny Green and Antwan Jamison.

These are all guys that I think could add a nice dimension pretty much all affordable. The only guy who would cost more would be Mayo but that would need to be in some sort of trade.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

I'd try to explore some sort of blockbuster trade involving our Bulls, the Nets, the Hawks and the Grizzlies.

If we could somehow turn some kind of a combination of Boozer, Asik, Watson, Brewer and Korver into OJ Mayo and Josh Smith that would be ideal.

Rose
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Noah

It may be difficult and somewhat fantasy, but I think it's possible. I'll try to work out exact trades when I get the chance.
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- Trading LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas in the 2006 draft.

- Refusing to part ways with Luol Deng for Pau Gasol.

- Trading JR Smith for nothing.

- Letting the players get away with quitting on Skiles and firing Skiles.

- Getting into a physical altercation with then head coach Vinny Del Negro.
1. We weren't getting Pau. Look at what he was traded for. Look at the way things are now... we wouldn't give up Deng for Pau.

2. Legit, but doesn't warrant this thread.

3. The second the players outgrow a coach is the second he's not an effective coach for that team anymore. Everyone know's Skiles is a hard-ass. Coaches are expendable. They don't count towards your cap, you don't have to trade them.

4. What? Really? How does that have anything to do with the moves he's made?
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