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Old 05-15-2012, 08:34 PM   #46
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

I say we keep the team intact. Solely after reading this article from ESPN. Yes, it's espn. but the dude makes some good points, especially when combined with Boozer's "We've never entered the playoffs healthy wouldn't that be nice" or something like that.

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All through the Chicago Bulls' injury-plagued season, coach Tom Thibodeau used the same phrase over and over again: "We have more than enough to win with." And win they did, finishing with a tie for the league's best record and the top overall seed in the playoffs. Alas, after Thursday's crushing 79-78 loss at the Philadelphia 76ers, the gaudy seed and another Central Division title is all Chicago has to show for its regular-season success.

The Bulls didn't have enough to win with, not with Derrick Rose out, not with Joakim Noah out, not with Carlos Boozer on the bench for the final 16:07 of the game. Rose and Noah are going to be back. Assuming better luck with their health, their best basketball days still lie ahead. That's not the case for Boozer, who wilted when the Bulls needed him most. Boozer made 1 of 11 shots Thursday. When the Bulls' third quarter run coincided with Boozer going to the bench in favor of Taj Gibson, that was the last we saw of him for the 2011-12 season.


The Bulls have a bright future, but they also have some hard decisions to make as their deep roster becomes more expensive. Omer Asik will be a restricted free agent and will draw a lot of interest on the market. Asik was a beast Thursday, putting up 10 points, nine rebounds and two blocks while changing countless shots during his 39 minutes of action. He missed the two biggest free throws of the Bulls' season but never should have been put in that position -- C.J. Watson should have known better than to feed him the ball when the Sixers had to foul to stop the clock. But without Asik, the Bulls wouldn't have even been in position to win Thursday.

Asik's production is worth $4 million to $5 million per season on the open market based on his level of production, and given the scarcity of starting-quality centers in the NBA, he'll surely get some lucrative offers this summer. As a former second-round pick, Asik will be subject to the Gilbert Arenas provision of the collective bargaining agreement in which a potential suitor will be limited to offering Asik the full midlevel exception, which next season will be $5 million for non-luxury tax payers. The Bulls will be able to match that offer using Asik's Early Bird rights, and they should. Not only is Asik tremendously valuable, but there is plenty of growth left in his game in terms of adding bulk and strength and improving his hands to the point he doesn't make the ball look like it's slathered in grease.

Gibson has emerged as a highly admired player for his tenacious defense and ability to face up on offense, both in terms of knocking down jumpers on the pick-and-pop and rolling to the basket. He runs the floor well, but his lack of skill as a post player differentiates Gibson from Boozer on the offensive end. He's never going to be a 20-point scorer as Boozer has been in the past. Still, outside of the core trio of Rose, Noah and Luol Deng, Gibson is the most valuable piece on the roster. We saw that Thursday, when Gibson helped fuel the comeback from a 12-point deficit.

Gibson will be entering the fourth season of his rookie contract, and the Bulls will try to sign him to an extension sometime this fall. Let's be optimistic (from Chicago's perspective) and say that a contract similar to the five-year, $40 million deal that former Bull Tyrus Thomas signed with Charlotte will get it done.

The Bulls already have four players slated to earn eight figures apiece in each of the next two seasons, so you can see how the payroll is climbing higher and higher. In addition to Asik and Gibson, you have non-guaranteed contracts for Ronnie Brewer ($4.4 million) and Watson ($3.2 million) to decide on by July 10. Then there's Kyle Korver, who has just $500,000 of his $5 million deal guaranteed for next year. Jimmy Butler will be entering the second year of his rookie contract, and Richard Hamilton is guaranteed $5 million next season. You'll have to fill out the roster with at least two more players at the veteran minimum. Finally, the Bulls own the 29th pick in the upcoming draft, which will run another $857,000 or so.

Add up the tab for keeping the same Bulls roster for next season, plus a rookie, and you're looking at around $83.4 million in salary. Ouch.

The Bulls really have only one recourse to avoid a massive luxury tax bill for the next two years, and that is to slap the amnesty tag on Boozer.

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Eventually, this is going to happen. Replacing Boozer's salary with a veteran's minimum deal or a second-round rookie would probably drop the Bulls close enough to the tax line that they could avoid both the extra payroll cost and the penalties the new CBA employs that make it harder for high-payroll teams to add talent. Boozer has three years and $47.1 million left on his contract. He'll get that money one way or another, but there is no way the Bulls will let all of that cash eat up their future cap space. Jerry Reinsdorf isn't going to like it, but Boozer is going to have to be looked at as a sunk cost. Eventually.

Boozer is not a bad player. He's a pretty good one, in fact. But he turns 31 this fall and his effectiveness has dwindled since his heyday with the Utah Jazz. That's mostly reflected in a true shooting percentage that for the past two seasons has been well below his career standard of .570. This season, his usage rate fell as well, so even though he doesn't carry as heavy an offensive load and plays fewer minutes, his efficiency has decreased. He's still a willing enough passer, but he commits too many turnovers and his defense is a weak spot in the Bulls' starting five.

At the right salary, Boozer would remain a valuable member of the Bulls, but an average $15.7 million for the next three years is not the right salary, not for a team scraping for any flexibility it can muster.

The question is whether the timing is right to use the amnesty on Boozer this summer. Even if you do, there is no way the Bulls can free up enough flexibility to go after an impact free agent. As mentioned, even their midlevel exception is probably going to be used to retain Asik. All you gain from letting Boozer go is a few more dollars in Reinsdorf's bank account.

Meanwhile, the Bulls are facing the likelihood that Rose will miss at least half, if not more, of the 2012-13 season. We've seen this season that the Bulls can win big without Rose, at least in the regular season. However, Boozer is a big part of that, as his low-block and pick-and-pop abilities take on added importance in a Rose-less environment. It's just a matter of Reinsdorf taking the financial hit. There is a possibility, one would suppose, that Boozer could be traded for a player at a similar salary level, but good luck finding that fit on another roster.

Chances are that the Bulls will retain Watson to run the team in Rose's stead. It's not an ideal choice, but the kind of players who would be willing to take a minimum deal from Chicago are invariably going to be inferior to Watson. The same can be said of Brewer. The Bulls would probably like to land another scorer, but in order to do that, you'd basically have to use the amnesty on Boozer, let Asik walk and forgo your options on Watson, Brewer and Korver. That's a lot of rearranging for a team that's going to be missing its best player for most of next season.

The most likely scenario is that the Bulls will swallow the salary pill to bring back the same roster. They might deal their first-round pick to save a few dollars, but that's about it. We never really got to see this season's team at full strength for any real length of time, so we don't know how good it might have been with everyone healthy and Hamilton fully integrated into the system. The Bulls will likely gamble on that health next season and hope that Rose can return to All-Star form before next year's playoffs. Then maybe we'll get that Miami-Chicago showdown we thought was inevitable this season.

Bulls fans may clamor for a roster shake-up, but the timing isn't right for it. There were plenty of experts who thought a full-strength Chicago team could win the title this season. Given the lack of options available, it makes sense for the Bulls to stand pat for one more season.

After that, the Bulls will have some better options. Boozer can get the amnesty tag at that point. Hamilton has only $1 million guaranteed for 2013-14, so you can let him go and use the savings to keep Korver, Watson or Brewer -- or maybe two of them. Then comes the exciting part: After next season, it may well become feasible for European prospect Nikola Mirotic to bring his talents to the shores of Lake Michigan. With another year of development in Europe and a buyout figure that should become palatable, the Bulls can bid Boozer adieu and bring in an exciting replacement on a rookie salary. By filling out the roster with more minimum salary guys than they currently have, they can also avoid repeating as a luxury tax payer.

Chicago was going to face a difficult decision regarding Boozer even if Rose were healthy. If they weren't able to get by Miami again -- and we'll never know now if they could -- then the clamor would be to upgrade the roster, not maintain it. In a way, Rose's injury buys them time to wait on Mirotic. They can keep Boozer, tread water until Rose gets healthy and make the run at Miami they didn't get to make this time around. And all it'll cost them is money.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:45 PM   #47
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Don't see any major moves going down so I agree with the article as well for the most part. Like i've stated before the only possible destinations I could see for Boozer in a trade would be the new Brooklyn Nets or the Orlando Magic. Try to work out a trade with one of those teams if not hold onto Boozer.

Sign Kirk Hinrich and Antwan Jamison. Extend Gibson and Asik.

Get Luol and Derrick completely healthy.

Develop Mirotic and use the Charlotte pick wisely.

The future is still bright Bulls fans.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:53 PM   #48
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Danny Green might be a good option. Well coached by popovich. Started this year for the Spurs. Good defender. Good shooter. Smart young SG.
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:11 PM   #49
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

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I say we keep the team intact. Solely after reading this article from ESPN. Yes, it's espn. but the dude makes some good points, especially when combined with Boozer's "We've never entered the playoffs healthy wouldn't that be nice" or something like that.

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That is a really good article, thanks for posting that in this thread.
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:13 PM   #50
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

How about the following deal with the new Brooklyn Nets:

Chicago sends Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer and get back:

Kris Humphries, Anthony Morrow and Gerald Green.

I would be really happy if this deal were to go down, but at the same time I feel it is fair and beneficial to both teams.

The Nets get more talent, some veterans and some guys that know how to play well with DWill which they are trying to keep in Brooklyn long term.
They would have a lineup of Lopez, Boozer, Wallace, Brooks and Williams.
That looks like a pretty solid team and also certainly a playoff team.

The Bulls get younger and more athletic, get back an excellent three point shooter in Morrow to replace Korver, Humphries isn't the scorer Boozer is but rebounds just as well, plays better defense and is younger. We also save a considerable amount of money to be able to add more offensive peaces that we need.

We'd have:

Rose - Watson
Hamilton - Morrow - Butler
Deng - Green
Gibson - Humphries
Noah - Asik

Like i've stated before we could sign Hinrich and Jamison on minimal deals to fill out the roster. And through the draft try to get an Austin Rivers or a Fab Melo.

What do you guys think of this trade proposal?
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

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How about the following deal with the new Brooklyn Nets:

Chicago sends Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer and get back:

Kris Humphries, Anthony Morrow and Gerald Green.

I would be really happy if this deal were to go down, but at the same time I feel it is fair and beneficial to both teams.

The Nets get more talent, some veterans and some guys that know how to play well with DWill which they are trying to keep in Brooklyn long term.
They would have a lineup of Lopez, Boozer, Wallace, Brooks and Williams.
That looks like a pretty solid team and also certainly a playoff team.

The Bulls get younger and more athletic, get back an excellent three point shooter in Morrow to replace Korver, Humphries isn't the scorer Boozer is but rebounds just as well, plays better defense and is younger. We also save a considerable amount of money to be able to add more offensive peaces that we need.

We'd have:

Rose - Watson
Hamilton - Morrow - Butler
Deng - Green
Gibson - Humphries
Noah - Asik

Like i've stated before we could sign Hinrich and Jamison on minimal deals to fill out the roster. And through the draft try to get an Austin Rivers or a Fab Melo.

What do you guys think of this trade proposal?

No opinions on this?
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

If guys like Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady can be brought in for the Veteran's Minimum shouldn't the Bulls look into it? Couldn't they bring value to our team?

I mean at that salary they would bring more to the table then someone like Brian Scalabrine. We need some bench scoring and either one could contribute in that sense. They both seem to have humbled themselves and be receptive to lesser roles so why not?

Small moves like these can be the difference next year if Rose and Deng are healthy going into the playoffs to make a run.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

If we could find a way to get Lou Williams from the Sixers I think that would be an exceptional pick up.

He could be the go to scorer for the second unit and in late game situations he could be in the backcourt with DRose to be that other guy who could create for himself as well as others. He has also become a much better defender under Doug Collins.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Id rather have Lou Williams than the combination of Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer. I'd give him a $6-7 million per season deal opposed to have Korver at $5 million per plus Ronnie $3 million per.

He could be a serious 6th man of the year candidate here with us and then once RIP leaves if no better option is found until then he would slide into the starting role nicely in the back court with Rose.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Marcus Camby and Hasheem Thabeet are some Centers that will be available this offseason that we may want to look into bringing in as a 5th big for us.

I don't know guys the more I think about it the more I feel like management needs to bring in some new energy to this roster by letting some of the current guys go and bringing in some new players.

Let go of guys like Scalabrine, Mike James, John Lucas, Korver, Brewer, Watson.

Extend Asik and Gibson. Bring in Lou Williams, Kirk Hinrich, Marcus Camby, Antwan Jamison, Gerald Green, Johnny Flynn.

Some other options we may want to consider: Jerryd Bayless, Shannon Brown, Earl Clark, Deshawn Stevenson, Jordan Hill, Delonte West, Erick Dampier, Desagna Diop.

I think bringing in a decent amount of new players that Thibs will push and get the best out of along with the core we maintain will give us an extra boost making sure we have a good season until Deng and Rose separately come back at full strength to join the roster and hopefully make a playoff push.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

I thinke we as bulls fans have to be realistic. This team is not good enough to beat miami. I saw this after watching how the heat dismantled the pacers without bosh. With a healthy bosh, the heat wouldve probably won in 5 games tops. Perhaps sweep a pacer team i felt wouldve given the bulls problems. And the heat are who were competing against in the grand scheme of things.

And i believed that even without rose, and noah, i felt the bulls shouldve been good enough to beat the sixers. Deng is what he is, and i feel thats overpayed. I like him. But not at the amount of salary hes being paid. The same goes for noah. Boozer is just flatout not what this bulls team needs.

Looking back at the 90s bulls dynasty, we saw how great thaat team was when in 94 without jordan, they took the eventuaal eastern conference champs to seven games. But thats because they had two franchise players in jordan and pippen. Then, two more very good players in rodman and kukoc. Both of whom are on a higher level talentwise than boozer, deng and noah.

We need a second franchise type player. The bulls as constructed are good, but not good enough. Even at full strength.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Yeah, the Bulls really do need that other superstar player to pair up with Rose.
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Default Re: So... Wth are we going to do during offseason to make sure this won't happen again?

Houston could be a possible trading partner:

Send them Carlos Boozer, Omer Asik, Ronnie Brewer and our 29th pick in this year's draft for:

Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Chandler Parsons and their 14th pick in this years draft.

Salaries match up almost perfectly and I actually think that trade helps and is fair for both teams.
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Houston could be a possible trading partner:

Send them Carlos Boozer, Omer Asik, Ronnie Brewer and our 29th pick in this year's draft for:

Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Chandler Parsons and their 14th pick in this years draft.

Salaries match up almost perfectly and I actually think that trade helps and is fair for both teams.

I'd love to see Scola on the Bulls. Scola and Noah would be perfect together, IMO.
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Some kind of trade to clear up some cap space to give nash more than MLE maybe nash + a good rookie would be something we could gamble on...
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