Re: 2012-2013 English Premier League Thread (La Liga, Serie A, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Skywalker
how about winning La Liga with Valencia?
That was a talented team. They reached the CL finals twice before Benitez got there, but as often happens when smallish teams with no depth do well in Europe: they failed to capitalize in the league.
So when Benitez was appointed he found himself in an extraordinary position of coaching a team that was good enough to compete with any of the powerhouses in Europe, but didn't have to worry about playing an extra 16 continental matches during the season. All things considered they didn't even do that well when you think about it.
He also ran Liverpool into the ground. He also ran Inter into the ground. Inter luckily got rid of him in time, but he left Liverpool completely barren and depleted and they haven't recovered since.
Re: 2012-2013 English Premier League Thread (La Liga, Serie A, etc.)
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Originally Posted by LJJ
That was a talented team. They reached the CL finals twice before Benitez got there, but as often happens when smallish teams with no depth do well in Europe: they failed to capitalize in the league.
So when Benitez was appointed he found himself in an extraordinary position of coaching a team that was good enough to compete with any of the powerhouses in Europe, but didn't have to worry about playing an extra 16 continental matches during the season. All things considered they didn't even do that well when you think about it.
He also ran Liverpool into the ground. He also ran Inter into the ground. Inter luckily got rid of him in time, but he left Liverpool completely barren and depleted and they haven't recovered since.
He did well at Valencia. Sustaining a level of play from the players over a course of a season is great, especially being one of the smaller clubs in the domestic league.
Yeah, sure, he ran Liverpool into the ground, yet we'll somehow discredit the fact he brought a UCL trophy to them, and a finals appearance.
And he was fired from Inter when they were in 5th place on the table, not to mention 16 games in. When Leonardo took over for the remaining 22 games, he had the same amount of losses as Rafa in that time in the domestic league.
Re: 2012-2013 English Premier League Thread (La Liga, Serie A, etc.)
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Originally Posted by LJJ
That was a talented team. They reached the CL finals twice before Benitez got there, but as often happens when smallish teams with no depth do well in Europe: they failed to capitalize in the league.
So when Benitez was appointed he found himself in an extraordinary position of coaching a team that was good enough to compete with any of the powerhouses in Europe, but didn't have to worry about playing an extra 16 continental matches during the season. All things considered they didn't even do that well when you think about it.
He also ran Liverpool into the ground. He also ran Inter into the ground. Inter luckily got rid of him in time, but he left Liverpool completely barren and depleted and they haven't recovered since.
For some reason I can't read ISH properly on my phone but I'll try replying to this. If Benitez left Liverpool in such a mess why do the fans adore him? You're wrong on that one. The ownership of hicks and Gillette ran the title contending team into the ground. They were contending for the EPL and routinely downing European powerhouses in the champions league on the back of his work. By that time it was also a very different team from the one he inherited from houllier. Rafa detractors actually think that CL cup was the work of houllier smh.
He signed Torres who became the top scorer in EPL during his stint with Liverpool and an elite striker in the world, Xabi Alonso who has been a staple of legendary teams for the last 5 years, reina, agger, Skrtel, mascherano, etc etc he signed many players who turned into stars at liverpool. Even now, Raheem sterling 17 yrs old getting caps for England and performing great week in week out in England top division, who signed him? RAFA. Fernandez Suso? Rafa.
Sure he had misses Robbie Jeanne, morientes but every manager does.
His negative image has festered from the time he made fergie deal with the fachts and knowing how the media bows down to ferg they all threw mud on Rafa at any chance.
At inter he went into a situation where he wa given no funds to mold his own team and the whole roster was upset Mourinho left. It was an old team.
Re: 2012-2013 English Premier League Thread (La Liga, Serie A, etc.)
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Originally Posted by plowking
He did well at Valencia. Sustaining a level of play from the players over a course of a season is great, especially being one of the smaller clubs in the domestic league.
Yeah, sure, he ran Liverpool into the ground, yet we'll somehow discredit the fact he brought a UCL trophy to them, and a finals appearance.
And he was fired from Inter when they were in 5th place on the table, not to mention 16 games in. When Leonardo took over for the remaining 22 games, he had the same amount of losses as Rafa in that time in the domestic league.
You take a great team that normally plays 54 games, and of those games you subtract 16 midweek games against very strong opponents, they are bound to play a bit more consistent in the games that are left.
I don't really see the managerial accomplishment in that. At least he didn't mess up the team that was put in place, but it's certainly not like Valencia started playing any better when he took over.
And you do not compare what Benitez did at Inter to what Leonardo did at Inter. When Benitez got there, Inter was playing some of the most organized, best football I have ever seen. That shit was absolutely beautiful in terms of collective understanding. It took Benitez one half of an off-season to have that team, filled with the most intelligent football players in recent history, running around with no organisation or tactic or collective idea like a bunch of clueless idiots. Leonardo was the one who had the joyous task of cleaning up the horrendous mess Benitez left behind, and he didn't even do that badly all things considered.
Re: 2012-2013 English Premier League Thread (La Liga, Serie A, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Skywalker
For some reason I can't read ISH properly on my phone but I'll try replying to this. If Benitez left Liverpool in such a mess why do the fans adore him?
Because Liverpool fans are idiots.
By the time Benitez left the team, Liverpool was bone ass dry. We are talking about a team that had to start players like Kuyt, Benayoun, Maxi and Babel (shudder). When Benitez came he brought Alonso to the EPL, which was easily the best decision he made in his entire career. He might have made the worst single decision when he ran the same Alonso, who was Liverpool's best player and absolutely irreplaceable at that point, out of town.
That team was done. Finished. No creativity on the entire roster besides Torres, who was already over the hill. No young talent on the roster. Maybe six passable starters on the rosters. The team was in absolute disrepair by the time he left. And there is only one person you can blame for that. "But fans love him" TSyeah.
It is all because of Torres. Torres is just a waster, the injury in 2010 that he played through is what f*cked him, he lost his speed and without speed he lost all condfidence, he is just average and useless with minimal desire and determination now. Abromovitch needs to give up on him and let the managers identify targets next time, Ancelotti didn't want Torres but was forced to play him and Torres made Carlo lose his job, then AVB lost his job and now the legendary Di Matteo got canned because Torres sucks. If Torres scored all the golden chances we would have won every game we played in this year accept vs Athletico, he is just a bum and getting good managers fired! Imagine if we bought Suarez or Huntelaar that january instead of useless Torres, they broke the British transfer record for a player that's been out of form for 2 years prior it just makes absolutely no sense at all!
Last edited by Nick Young : 11-23-2012 at 01:51 PM.
Re: 2012-2013 English Premier League Thread (La Liga, Serie A, etc.)
even after the injury he still had a decent goal contribution while with Liverpool, the Gods pushed him down another level for stabbing all the LFC supporters in the back. HE ****ED UP A GOOD THING.
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