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Old 05-24-2012, 03:36 AM   #16
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:38 AM   #17
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Because Kevin Garnett blows and i wanted to change it to a real ****ing player. Thanks for caring about my avatar though.
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:43 AM   #19
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:48 AM   #20
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Nostalgia is fun, but Tracy Mcgrady was NEVER as good as Dwyane Wade not even during that 2003 season which Wade's 2009 season was better. Career wise Wade is just plain better, period.
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:54 AM   #21
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Lol, I'll take T-Mac in a heartbeat.
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:56 AM   #22
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:00 AM   #23
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T-Mac and by a mile. Impossible to defend.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:04 AM   #24
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Lots of ****ing fools in this thread I have to say...Tracy Mcgrady has nothing on Dwyane Wade even before he hurt his back. He had that one great season and extraordinary season and that's it. Wade shits all over him peak and career wise. You clowns don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:05 AM   #25
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Lots of ****ing fools in this thread I have to say...Tracy Mcgrady has nothing on Dwyane Wade even before he hurt his back. He had that one great season and extraordinary season and that's it. Wade shits all over him peak and career wise. You clowns don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Stop hating on T-Mac. Peak T-Mac is the best offensive player I ever saw. He had GOAT potential. Nothing against Wade who's obviously had a much better career.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:17 AM   #27
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Stop hating on T-Mac. Peak T-Mac is the best offensive player I ever saw. He had GOAT potential. Nothing against Wade who's obviously had a much better career.

What is Peak Tmac? Because 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005 etc he was nothing special efficiency wise. That 2003 season IS the ONLY the only season the great season he had as an efficient scorer. Yeah the the back problem curtailed his career so we don't know where his career, so we don't know what he could have done, but to say Peak Tmac is the best offensive player you ever saw and had GOAT potential is just absurd considering it was such a small window.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:24 AM   #28
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Stop hating on T-Mac. Peak T-Mac is the best offensive player I ever saw. He had GOAT potential. Nothing against Wade who's obviously had a much better career.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:30 AM   #29
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This is really the only reason why this is a hard choice for me. I think in terms of just pure abilities and on-court abilities, McGrady at his peak was better than Wade at his but on-court abilities is not everything.

You also forgot to mention how McGrady was an awful teammate too. I honestly think McGrady is the worst teammate you could possibly have. He always blamed others for his failures especially when you talk about his 1st round exits. Every year he got hosed and eliminated in the first round, he would tell the media how his teammates suck and how he had nothing to do with the loss. There is a reason why every team he was apart of (when he was good) pretty much hates him. Toronto boos him every time he walks in the arena, same goes for Orlando and the same goes for Houston.

McGrady doesn't just have no intangibles, he has negative intangibles. He wasn't that bad during his peak in '01-'03 though but he did have some issues such as throwing his teammates under the bus. He also quit on his team although he quit on his team in 2004 which was outside of his peak years. McGrady was just really immature and practically a child and he has honestly never figured it out or changed because he is still like this today.

His weak work-ethic as you mentioned is the biggest reason why McGrady pretty much became incredibly overrated in Houston and pretty much done half way in his tenure with Houston. McGrady during his Magic years was very thin and very light and he was a freak of nature in terms of athleticism and explosion. In Houston, he became huge and practically fat due to the weak work-ethic and because of this he wasn't as explosive or as athletic anymore which robbed him from a lot of his abilities. He was very dependent on his athleticism. Even if you wanted to say he got big and fat in Houston because of he added muscle, it doesn't matter because McGrady didn't play in the post much anyways.

How the hell did prime Mcgrady have negative intangibles? Prime T-Mac was a force to be reckoned with. When they were up 3-1 against Detroit in the first round of '03, T-Mac had 37 points and 11 rebounds in the close-out Game 6 in Orlando. Nobody else on the team did ANYTHING in that game. Game 6 was when they were supposed to finally bring it home and take it to the next round, but no one showed up at all besides McGrady. T-Mac put EVERYTHING into that series and his teammates came up with nothing. Did you even watch it?

If you look at his playoff numbers from 2001-2003, that guy did everything he possibly could for the Magic.

2001: 33.8 points, 8.3 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 1.2 steals and 44.5 minutes

2002: 30.8 points, 5.5 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 1.8 steals and 44.5

2003: 31.7 points, 4.7 assists, 6.7 rebounds, 2 steals and 44 minutes.

How can you say that he was an awful teammate? This is exactly what happened to Kobe in 05-06 and 06-07. He put all he had into the games he played, playoffs or regular season. He constantly tried to get his teammates involved, and never snapped at them in his prime.

Admittedly, his bitterness got the best of him later in his career. He was a terrible teammate in Houston, but he was perfectly fine in Orlando. He was the best he could've possibly been for that team.

To answer the OP's question, McGrady in a heartbeat. You put any semblance of a good team around 02-03 T-Mac and they make a deep playoff run.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:31 AM   #30
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Stats are per-36min

'05-'07 Wade:
25.7pts, 5.0reb, 6.6ast, 3.6tov, 58.0ts%, 28.1PER
'08-'12 Wade:
26.1pts, 5.2reb, 5.8ast, 3.1tov, 57.0ts%, 27.8PER

'00-'03 T-Mac:
25.8pts, 6.7reb, 4.7ast, 2.3tov, 54.0ts%, 26.7PER


Eat shit T-Mac fans
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