Re: Lakers, Bulls, Rockets - 2012 Draft Day Trade Proposal
Wow the Bulls make out like bandits in the this Lakers get spare parts, but not a any difference makers. I don't see how Hamilton fits on the team at all. Rockets make out pretty well except for taking Steve Blake back in the deal.
Re: Lakers, Bulls, Rockets - 2012 Draft Day Trade Proposal
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Originally Posted by longtime lurker
Wow the Bulls make out like bandits in the this Lakers get spare parts, but not a any difference makers. I don't see how Hamilton fits on the team at all. Rockets make out pretty well except for taking Steve Blake back in the deal.
Hamilton would be a nice 6th man scorer for the Lakers and Hill and Odom are good screeners, so its a good match imo. Plus he expires after next season if it doesn't work out.
Lakers (sign Odom with mini MLE, Barnes, Hinrich, Rasheed Wallace with veteran's minimums, waive Eyenga and Butler):
PG: Lowry/Sessions/Hinrich
SG: Bryant/Hamilton/Goudelock
SF: MWP/Ebanks/Barnes
PF: Gibson/Odom/McRoberts
C: Bynum/Hill/Wallace
Which teams like this trade? With regards to the rest of the league, where would this put the Bulls, Rockets and Lakers teams in 2012? Discuss.
Bulls clearly dominate this trade. Don't count your chickens before they hatch with Dragic... he could be gone from Houston. Both the Rockets and Lakers struggle to get out of the second round. They only barely improve their chances versus teams with top-heavy offense like Oklahoma City and unbelievable depth with San Antonio.
Also, LOL @ signing Rasheed Wallace two years removed from retirement.
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Bulls clearly dominate this trade.
How so?
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Don't count your chickens before they hatch with Dragic... he could be gone from Houston.
Lowry's relationship with McHale has turned sour. They only can afford to keep Lowry or Dragic this summer and Dragic had a spectacular year for them as a starter.
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Both the Rockets and Lakers struggle to get out of the second round. They only barely improve their chances versus teams with top-heavy offense like Oklahoma City and unbelievable depth with San Antonio.
Lakers would have unbelievable depth (Barnes and Hinrich are 3rd string and very capable starters in this league), at least as much as San Antonio and not to mention they have Gibson who is a terrific pick n roll defender. The Thunder and Spurs won't be able to exploit the Lakers in that sense anymore.
Rockets get Gasol to pair with Dragic and Scola for their own European all-star team. We all know what can happen when you pair up 3 great europlayers and surround them with good role players (Spain/USA 2004 Olympics). This team is at least top 4 in the West next season.
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Also, LOL @ signing Rasheed Wallace two years removed from retirement.
The funny thing is that 2 years removed Rasheed Wallace can still probably singlehandedly shut down perennial bigmen like Dwight Howard, which would be pretty much all the Lakers would need him for.
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Lowry's relationship with McHale has turned sour. They only can afford to keep Lowry or Dragic this summer and Dragic had a spectacular year for them as a starter.
Until he comes out and asks Houston not to keep him, I'm convinced he stays in Houston. This is a players league after all, and if Lowry was in Houston's good graces it would be McHale first out the door before anyone else.
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Lakers would have unbelievable depth (Barnes and Hinrich are 3rd string and very capable starters in this league), at least as much as San Antonio and not to mention they have Gibson who is a terrific pick n roll defender. The Thunder and Spurs won't be able to exploit the Lakers in that sense anymore.
I wouldn't really call that 'unbelievable depth' for the Lakers...
PG: Lowry/Sessions (defensive liability)/Hinrich (why are you paying a starting caliber, veteran PG to see probably less than 10 minutes a game?)
SG: Bryant/Hamilton (a solid veteran backup but he's injury prone... if he played 65 games next season I would be floored)/Goudelock (largely untested... still has great promise and heaps of potential, but Brown won't utilize it as usual)
SF: MWP (no show for half of the 2011-2012 season, continues to struggle from the perimeter)/Ebanks (Ebanks is ahead of Barnes in the rotation now? What does that say about Barnes productivity?)/Barnes (career journeyman... I doubt Lakers resign him)
PF: Gibson (McRoberts had nearly identical stats last season with Indiana as Gibson had this season with CHI... why are you trading for a guy like that when you already have one wasting away on the bench?)/Odom (Odom is not coming back to LA)/McRoberts (See: Gibson explanation)
C: Bynum/Hill/Wallace (we don't even know what sort of shape of Wallace is in... for all we know he's in the worst shape of his life)
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Rockets get Gasol to pair with Dragic and Scola for their own European all-star league. We all know what can happen when you pair up 3 great europlayers and surround them with good role players (Spain/USA 2004 Olympics). This team is at least top 4 in the West next season.
That's fine... they're still not beating the Spurs, the Thunder or possibly the continually improving Clippers.
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The funny thing is that 2 years removed Rasheed Wallace can still probably singlehandedly shut down perennial bigmen like Dwight Howard, which would be pretty much all the Lakers would need him for.
You're just speculating. Two years away from the NBA is a long time... even expecting normal 'Sheed defense is probably expecting too much. He'd be lucky to see floor time, even if LA was oblivious enough to throw him a contract.
More importantly, where do you think the Lakers are getting the money to do all of these things?
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Re: Lakers, Bulls, Rockets - 2012 Draft Day Trade Proposal
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Hamilton would be a nice 6th man scorer for the Lakers and Hill and Odom are good screeners, so its a good match imo. Plus he expires after next season if it doesn't work out.
I understand but I think the Lakers need that explosive guard like a Westbrook or Harden who can get you those 30 40 point games and let Kobe kind of sit back. Ideally Bynum should be that guy but he just stagnates the offense whenever he gets the ball in the post.
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I understand but I think the Lakers need that explosive guard like a Westbrook or Harden who can get you those 30 40 point games and let Kobe kind of sit back. Ideally Bynum should be that guy but he just stagnates the offense whenever he gets the ball in the post.
There's no one really available through a trade for the Lakers to be able to do that.
Ideally the Lakers get a solid 6th man SG scorer to play 18-20 minutes per game and bring Kobe's minutes down to 30minutes per game. I like OJ Mayo, but he's not available. I like Courtney Lee, but he's not available. I like Martin, but I feel he'd be paid too much to come off the bench. So Hamilton seems like the most reasonable choice. He and Kobe always had good duels.
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In case people were unaware, if the Lakers did this they would be $21 million over the cap to not even be better than they were this season.
You do realize that the Lakers are sending out 23 mill and taking back 13 mill in salary in this trade right?
Whether you think they're better or not is your own opinion. I've seen 75% of the Lakers games last seasoning and most of the playoffs. Pick n roll defense along with weak bench production was their achilles heel. This trade addresses both of those points. If you don't think the Lakers improve with this trade, you're either a Laker hater or just don't watch the Lakers enough.
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You do realize that the Lakers are sending out 23 mill and taking back 13 mill in salary in this trade right?
...so, what's your point? They shave $10 million off the books to have a worse front court?
They're still $21 million over the cap and no better for it after you're suggestion. You traded away a stretch 4-5, guaranteed 17/10 guy for a guy who averages almost half that at his position... nevermind the fact that you've already got McRoberts capable of posting Gibson's sorts of numbers. The only quality piece you get back is Lowry, and even that's not a home run in that Kobe-centric Lakers system.
You're just throwing guys names around haphazardly and most of it doesn't even make sense. Like, Hinrich as a 3rd string bench warmer? Do you really think he's just going sign for $2 million or something?
Do you even know what sort of player McRoberts is? I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up a starter next season for a stretch of games.
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Whether you think they're better or not is your own opinion. I've seen 75% of the Lakers games last seasoning and most of the playoffs. Pick n roll defense along with weak bench production was their achilles heel. This trade addresses both of those points. If you don't think the Lakers improve with this trade, you're either a Laker hater or just don't watch the Lakers enough.
Ever wonder why no Lakers fans are posting about how great this trade idea is? Because they probably think it sucks too. Outside of the Lowry acquisition (which is probably the least likely of the suggestions), if these were the kinds of moves the Lakers made in the off-season their fans would be ready to riot.
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...so, what's your point? They shave $10 million off the books to have a worse front court?
They're not going to get a better return PF for Gasol right now. Unless its for Josh Smith, but they're not trading Gasol for a 1 season rental. Worse front court offensively sure, but better front court defensively AND starter capable PG in Lowry who plays solid defense himself along with a solid 6th man scorer in Hamilton to bolster their bench production.
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They're still $21 million over the cap and no better for it after you're suggestion. You traded away a stretch 4-5, guaranteed 17/10 guy for a guy who averages almost half that at his position... nevermind the fact that you've already got McRoberts capable of posting Gibson's sorts of numbers.
This trade isn't just for Gibson. Its for Lowry, Gibson and Hamilton. Gibson can stretch the floor just as well as Gasol. He won't put up 17/10 but he'll probably put up 13/10 along with solid pick n roll defense in starter minutes.
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The only quality piece you get back is Lowry, and even that's not a home run in that Kobe-centric Lakers system.
Do you watch Lowry play? He's probably the best off ball point guard in this league. High assist to turnover ratio, does not need the ball in his hands all of the time to be effective on the floor. Just ask Houston fans.
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You're just throwing guys names around haphazardly and most of it doesn't even make sense. Like, Hinrich as a 3rd string bench warmer? Do you really think he's just going sign for $2 million or something?
I'm not just throwing out names. Lowry has been included in all of my trade scenarios if you haven't noticed. The framework has always been Lowry/Solid Big for Gasol. Let's not act like you'll be shocked if Hinrich signs on a team for the veteran's minimum. He was the Hawk's backup PG last season. Besides, getting Hinrich or not is not a dealbreaker. Raja Bell could also be easily had for the minimum. These guys are really signed more for their veteran leadership, character, etc for the young guys.
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Do you even know what sort of player McRoberts is? I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up a starter next season for a stretch of games.
Yes, but McRoberts isn't a great jumpshooter and not as quick laterally as Gibson and definitely not the help defender that Gibson is.
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Ever wonder why no Lakers fans are posting about how great this trade idea is? Because they probably think it sucks too. Outside of the Lowry acquisition (which is probably the least likely of the suggestions), if these were the kinds of moves the Lakers made in the off-season their fans would be ready to riot.
Nope I don't wonder, because I only made this thread like 2 hours ago.
Lakers, Bulls, Rockets - 2012 Draft Day Trade Proposal
Re: Lakers, Bulls, Rockets - 2012 Draft Day Trade Proposal
Lakers get spare parts, but not a any difference makers. I don't see how Hamilton fits on the team at all. Rockets make out pretty well except for taking Steve Blake back in the deal.
