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Old 01-19-2007, 06:17 AM   #46
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T-Mac is still elite, you goddamned ****ing idiot.

Have you not seen him when he's healthy?

And, his leadership ability has always been underrated.

He carried those Orlando teams to places they shouldn't have been, and he's doing a fine job carrying his Rockets team this season with scoring surges and sound playmaking display even when being out of rhythm.

He's not, nor has he ever been overrated.

It's his 0 Playoff Exits which have been overemphasized.

key words: when he's healthy
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:35 AM   #47
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i know it makes me look like a bitter Mavs fan but why in the hell is Wade getting credit for holding the Heat together w/o Shaq when their roster is pretty damn good and he plays in the East?

Not to mention that they're currently beating up on really crappy teams. They're what, 4-1? 5-1? Against who? Bad teams.
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no one calls kobe overrated.

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Old 01-19-2007, 07:52 AM   #49
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:14 AM   #50
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Josh Smith is wayyy underrated. By the end of the season he should avg
15ppg/8 reb/3 apg/3.0 blks which is sick. AK Jr.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:00 PM   #52
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Overrated:

Gilbo: awful defense and shot selection will kill him playoff time
T-Mac: love him but can't stay healthy, playoff choker, and got caught with his foot in his mouth 1st round '03
Melo: Great scorer but what else? Bad leader, questionable character, which affects your teams on court play
Kevin Martin: Everybody can score, who cares
Chris Bosh: Such a great player, then why can't he win in the Craptantic?
Wade: Same as chris, so great? Why does his team suck right now in the east?
Memo: love his personality, but terribly inconsistent
Parker: Defense, shooting?
Ginobli: Flopper
J O'Neal: Soft as a marshmello, playoff choker
Howard, D.: Offense besides putbacks?

Underrated:
Paul Pierce: #1 underrated player by far
Maybe Tayshaun: plays so well on both ends, does all the little things, but maybe gets deserved respect these days.
AI: not enough give him due credit, great player, lays it all out on the floor, playoff success on a terrible team
Redd: shoots the lights out, tears up good teams like the Pistons all the time
Mo Pete: See Tayshaun, great all around player
Ray ALlen: not many trash him, but sure as hell isn't talked about enough.
Brand: Great all around player

Just right when you ignore Homers/Haters:

Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Shaq (1 or 2 years ago, who knows right now)
Billups
KG

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Old 01-19-2007, 12:10 PM   #53
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Overrated:

Gilbo: awful defense and shot selection will kill him playoff time
T-Mac: love him but can't stay healthy, playoff choker, and got caught with his foot in his mouth 1st round '03
Melo: Great scorer but what else? Bad leader, questionable character, which affects your teams on court play
Kevin Martin: Everybody can score, who cares
Chris Bosh: Such a great player, then why can't he win in the Craptantic?
Wade: Same as chris, so great? Why does his team suck right now in the east?
Memo: love his personality, but terribly inconsistent
Parker: Defense, shooting?
Ginobli: Flopper
J O'Neal: Soft as a marshmello, playoff choker
Howard, D.: Offense besides putbacks?

Underrated:
Paul Pierce: #1 underrated player by far
Maybe Tayshaun: plays so well on both ends, does all the little things, but maybe gets deserved respect these days.
AI: not enough give him due credit, great player, lays it all out on the floor, playoff success on a terrible team
Redd: shoots the lights out, tears up good teams like the Pistons all the time
Mo Pete: See Tayshaun, great all around player
Ray ALlen: not many trash him, but sure as hell isn't talked about enough.
Brand: Great all around player

Just right when you ignore Homers/Haters:

Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Shaq (1 or 2 years ago, who knows right now)
Billups
KG

good list, but how come Paul Pierce gets a pass for not winning in the 'Craplantic'?
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:19 PM   #54
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Good point, I'm not sure. He plays so well on both sides of the ball. I guess it would be cos he's had playoff success before, making it to the ECF in '02. Have to think about it and justify.

It's prolly cos all the Raptor fans are just overbearing with the Bosh hype and he hasn't done **** yet but score.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:24 PM   #55
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It's prolly cos all the Raptor fans are just overbearing with the Bosh hype and he hasn't done **** yet but score.

Yeah he is probably the worst rebounder in the paint. Doesn;t block shots. Has no mid range shot. No post game. Can't face up or beat anyone on the dribble. Is the easiest guy to defend in the NBA...most PF's can shut him down. shows zero intensity on the floor.

All this and he is already 22 yrs old and has been surrounded by so much talent.

You are right he is barely breathing on the floor.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:31 PM   #56
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Overrated:

Gilbo: awful defense and shot selection will kill him playoff time
T-Mac: love him but can't stay healthy, playoff choker, and got caught with his foot in his mouth 1st round '03
Melo: Great scorer but what else? Bad leader, questionable character, which affects your teams on court play
Kevin Martin: Everybody can score, who cares
Chris Bosh: Such a great player, then why can't he win in the Craptantic?
Wade: Same as chris, so great? Why does his team suck right now in the east?
Memo: love his personality, but terribly inconsistent
Parker: Defense, shooting?
Ginobli: Flopper
J O'Neal: Soft as a marshmello, playoff choker
Howard, D.: Offense besides putbacks?

Underrated:
Paul Pierce: #1 underrated player by far
Maybe Tayshaun: plays so well on both ends, does all the little things, but maybe gets deserved respect these days.
AI: not enough give him due credit, great player, lays it all out on the floor, playoff success on a terrible team
Redd: shoots the lights out, tears up good teams like the Pistons all the time
Mo Pete: See Tayshaun, great all around player
Ray ALlen: not many trash him, but sure as hell isn't talked about enough.
Brand: Great all around player

Just right when you ignore Homers/Haters:

Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Shaq (1 or 2 years ago, who knows right now)
Billups
KG


Good List
but bush was out for most of the time tho
I really don't think he's over rated
as he has shot a winning 3 this early on already
and the raptors could win the titanic
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:46 PM   #57
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I have Bosh on my Fantasy team, he has hardly missed anytime, and it's not just about this season, it's about the past too. I haven't seen much improvement and his team still sucks.
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I have Bosh on my Fantasy team, he has hardly missed anytime, and it's not just about this season, it's about the past too. I haven't seen much improvement and his team still sucks.

haha...you really love getting the Raptor fans going...
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Bosh is an Elton Brand type of player. Not nearly as good, but won't help a teamon his own. Just pads his stats by being the best on the team. Needs a supporting cast to play with. They are people who think Bosh is as good as KG in craptor land which is nuts.
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That's my problem with the Bosh hype. They all want to say he's an elite player, but if you put a real elite player in his place like KG, Tim, Dirk, etc. that team is destroying the division and a playoff force.
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