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Old 06-24-2006, 03:26 PM   #16
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In honor of prime Jordan, here are some clips I uploaded a while ago (not for this topic).


Rookie year drive:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CFF9ED7E5D564166

Sixers drive, '91 playoffs:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=2D89A4775B0C13F4


Lakers drive, '91 Finals (not the famous "switch hands" move)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B6F138C9330F1190


Replay of the above drive where you can see that he goes between his legs at around the foul line in response to the defense collapsing on him to his right; notice in the full speed clip that he doesn't even break forward motion on the between-the-legs. Crazy.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=0165AF6058F45E1E


Jam against Heat, '92 playoffs:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E4BA029705B95303


Knicks drive (not the famous baseline spin on Oakley and jam over Ewing):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D7646C4725A3C20E


Cavs drive, '93 playoffs:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A0AC19FD1EF805D1


Phoenix dunk from a game where he had 53/14/8:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CAD2E3205D40813A


Crazy UNC/UCLA alumni game layup:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=9A212A8903D14B9A


Celtics fastbreak (this is crazy because he goes from the opposite FT line to the other end of the court in 3 seconds...while dribbling; I wish they wouldn't have cut to the other camera like they did):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5F9690C62454E10A


Enjoy. :) I've been trying to combine all my clips into one long video file (because it's a pain in the a$$ to download multiple small files), but the program I use (Windows Movie Maker) slows down the speed of the video by about 10-15% for some reason, so you don't get the same sense of speed that you do from the individual clips.

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Old 06-24-2006, 03:30 PM   #17
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This thread reminds me of that old cmmercial where "old" Jordan was challenged by "young" Jordan. Ran mid/late 90's, I think...

I don't think so i rememebr seeing it like 4 years ago
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Old 06-24-2006, 03:46 PM   #18
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Awesome post, Loki. Thanks. You da man.
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Old 06-24-2006, 04:13 PM   #19
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Younger Jordan wins 1on1 every time, older Jordan is more valuable to a team.

90s Jordan wins.
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Old 06-24-2006, 04:36 PM   #20
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Awesome post, Loki. Thanks. You da man.

No problem. I have dozens of these clips that I extracted from my personal DVD collection. I'm trying to make one big video file from them, as I said, but I want to capture the speed of the moves, and the software slows it down for some reason.


Here's another one, from the '93 playoffs, for those who insist that Jordan got all the calls:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B04C6FC30F209595

Where's the foul? ;)
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Great clips, LOKI. Post as many as you have...

MJ's ability to go from 0 to 100 in no time was incredible. His speed and quickness remains unmatched to date.
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Old 06-24-2006, 05:17 PM   #22
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young Jordan was better....dominated the comp so badly he got bored and tried baseball
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Old 06-24-2006, 05:29 PM   #23
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This thread reminds me of that old cmmercial where "old" Jordan was challenged by "young" Jordan. Ran mid/late 90's, I think...

I think it was run in 2002. If you notice, Jordan has on Wizards shorts(or what looks like them) in the commercial. I remember he was playing for them when this commercial came out.
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No problem. I have dozens of these clips that I extracted from my personal DVD collection. I'm trying to make one big video file from them, as I said, but I want to capture the speed of the moves, and the software slows it down for some reason.


Here's another one, from the '93 playoffs, for those who insist that Jordan got all the calls:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B04C6FC30F209595

Where's the foul? ;)

A DVD collection? Which one? A link?
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Does anyone have the Ultimate Michael Jordan DVD set? I heard it was real good.
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Old 06-24-2006, 05:56 PM   #26
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Great clips, LOKI. Post as many as you have...

MJ's ability to go from 0 to 100 in no time was incredible. His speed and quickness remains unmatched to date.

Well, since you asked (and since I'm not enough of a loser to create an entire topic dedicated to these ), here are a few more.


Crazy layup as a Wizard:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=27F25D392446505C


Abusing Rex Chapman in the post:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=28E0E4AC53A829E8


Scraping Joe Dumars with a crossover (I have this game on DVD, so I need to get this from the normal game angle one day; amazingly, there was no other player near them-- it was MJ and Joe D iso'd out high as he brought the ball up-- he caught him nasty. He did the same to John Starks a couple of times in the '92 playoffs that I need to extract from my games):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7B477C1A62EA302C


Breakaway facial on some poor Knick:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D42D73D06025B490


Nice play versus Pistons that really illustrates Jordan's recognition. He instinctively knew where the defense was weakest and immediately reacted; in this clip, he sees that the defense is strong towards the middle, with 3 players there, so even before he receives the ball off the curl, he changes his footwork to spin back the other way, away from the pressure:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B6CA40485F87AE4D


James Edwards with the "last resort" defense against Jordan on the pick and roll. In the last replay, you can see Dumars push him so that he can't come off the screen as tightly as he wanted to (which would give the help defense more time to react to close that gap; unfortunately, Edwards was late):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=39FBFA006F1CC37C


Fastbreak jam against the 76'ers from the '91 playoffs. Note the distance he covers on his hop step (where he brings the ball over the defenders' arms to split them) and the speed at which he does it:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=78F97FB2497B55F0


Gerald Wilkins gets his sh!t sent twice by Jordan on the same play:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B81E83866FC858F1


Lastly, here's a youtube video by the user "hoopsencyclopedia" (who puts up lots of complete Jordan games on youtube-- check his profile) of Jordan's 56-point game versus Miami in the '92 playoffs. He had 2 points in the first quarter, and after the first, a guy on the Heat said to him, "hey Mike, you're done; we're shutting you down tonight!" He then proceeded to drop 54 in the final 3 quarters to complete Chicago's 3 game sweep of Miami. Some awesome plays on here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVcwa99dBB4


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A DVD collection? Which one? A link?

I bought many DVD's from this site:

http://www.geocities.com/mariabkbcards/


Pretty expensive, but it's the only service of its kind available online (there's one other guy who offers either VHS or DVD, but his pricing is similar). She's very reliable and prompt.


At any rate, I have some time on my hands now, so I should be able to get some more clips from these old games onto my PC, so perhaps I'll update this in the coming days. :)

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this is a great topic. IMO, its the perfect example to what many player face today. lets take kobe for example. looking at MJ in the late 80s, you can say that he was the most skilled and most talented in the NBA but you couldnt say hes the best just yet (well, some will say hes the best, but that wont be the overall consensus). same scenario is happening today with kobe, although his stats dont even compare to MJs, kobe appears to be the most talented/skilled today but until he transforms that into rings, most people wont consider him the best.

MJ started involving more of his teamates in the 90s. sure his stats went down, but thats because his teamates were doing more.

jordan in the 90s was better. he was still unstoppable and at the same time involved his teamates and won chips
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Does anyone have the Ultimate Michael Jordan DVD set? I heard it was real good.

yea i have it. its really good. worth the buy.
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this is a great topic. IMO, its the perfect example to what many player face today. lets take kobe for example. looking at MJ in the late 80s, you can say that he was the most skilled and most talented in the NBA but you couldnt say hes the best just yet (well, some will say hes the best, but that wont be the overall consensus). same scenario is happening today with kobe, although his stats dont even compare to MJs, kobe appears to be the most talented/skilled today but until he transforms that into rings, most people wont consider him the best.

MJ started involving more of his teamates in the 90s. sure his stats went down, but thats because his teamates were doing more.

jordan in the 90s was better. he was still unstoppable and at the same time involved his teamates and won chips

This is largely true, but Jordan was generally considered the best player in the NBA from '88 onwards. '89 if we're stretching it. Hell, I have games on tape from the '90-'91 season/postseason where the commentators say that he's "the best player to ever play the game"-- and this was before he had won even a single ring. And he was playing amongst legends and giants. I'm not saying that I agree that he was the best ever at that point in his career (i.e., before he won titles, or even after he won his first one), but it's crazy that people were even saying things like that. That's how good Jordan was.

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Loki, what do you think is Jordan's singular best game?

What year do you think was Jordan's best?

Is the Ultimate Jordan DVD set the best one out there? If not what is the best DVD/VHS to get of Jordan?

What year did you think Jordan became the greatest player ever?
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