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Old 09-02-2013, 02:00 PM   #1501
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He did do that. That's not killing someone tho.

I'd say it's an indirect killing. Certainly not murder, but his actions led to her death.

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No, he was about to move her onto her side when she started choking but changed his mind.
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I haven't seen the episode in a while either, but I am pretty sure this is correct.

Can't find a video on youtube, but here:

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During an attempt to awaken Jesse, Walt accidentally moves Jane out of the recovery position and onto her back, and witnesses her choking on her own vomit. Walt lets Jane asphyxiate and leaves

Walt does cause her to move on to her back.
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:04 PM   #1502
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The biggest tragedy of all is that Walt really is the only person left in Jesse's life who truly cares about him. Skyler, Saul, Hank, probably even Jesse's parents - none of them would give a shit if he died. Walt, however, steadfastly refuses to kill him, and yet Jesse now wants to ruin Walt's life. Some heartbreaking shit.

I don't think that Walt wants Todd and his crew to kill Jesse. That's too obvious. Walt probably has something more surprising in mind.

Whatever it is specifically, big shit is going down next week. The episode description for next week's episode reads "things heat up for Walt in unexpected ways" and the description for the subsequent episode reads "everyone copes with radically changed circumstances." Next week's episode is going to be a real game changer, no doubt about it. I'm hyped!


Also, I'd fuck Marie.
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:06 PM   #1503
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I'd say it's an indirect killing. Certainly not murder, but his actions led to her death.




Can't find a video on youtube, but here:



Walt does cause her to move on to her back.
video here. Ok I didn't remember that. Inadvertently moved her there but definitely chose not to stop it.
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:09 PM   #1504
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Here's my theory (and it's very simple, probably too simple):

Jesse fully rats out Walt and they find a way to prove it and indict him, Walt refuses to kill Jesse, instead he has Sal's guy create a new life for him and make him disappear. Walt get's a new life but leaves his family behind and is in despair of losing everything so he gives up and stops his chemo and treatment (explains his hair). Maybe at this point Hank goes after Skylar and charges her or maybe Todd's crew flips as well and indicts Walt, giving Hank more proof. Walt who is hopeless and has given up, finds out Hank is pursuing Skylar since Walt has disappeared and finds out that todd has turned (or maybe Sal) says **** it and decides to go home to kill someone (not sure who, I'd venture maybe Jesse or Hank, who knows). He buys his gun, goes home and goes and gets the Ricin (at this time he's been indicted or w/e and it's known he's Heisenberg, which explains his house, etc, his disappearance also explains his neighbors reaction). He then goes with his gun and has a shootout with someone (again, only part I'm not sure of, I'm sure Jesse would be protected by the DEA so it's probably not him, maybe Hank) and after it's over he uses the ricin on himself.

This is probably way off, I can never predict anything correctly on this show.

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Old 09-02-2013, 02:19 PM   #1505
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Not really a fan of this this whole Hank/Jesse team up. I was hoping that Jesse would burn down walts house and beat his ass, not turn into a ****ing rat
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:45 PM   #1506
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Here's my theory (and it's very simple, probably too simple):

Jesse fully rats out Walt and they find a way to prove it and indict him, Walt refuses to kill Jesse, instead he has Sal's guy create a new life for him and make him disappear. Walt get's a new life but leaves his family behind and is in despair of losing everything so he gives up and stops his chemo and treatment (explains his hair). Maybe at this point Hank goes after Skylar and charges her or maybe Todd's crew flips as well and indicts Walt, giving Hank more proof. Walt who is hopeless and has given up, finds out Hank is pursuing Skylar since Walt has disappeared and finds out that todd has turned (or maybe Sal) says **** it and decides to go home to kill someone (not sure who, I'd venture maybe Jesse or Hank, who knows). He buys his gun, goes home and goes and gets the Ricin (at this time he's been indicted or w/e and it's known he's Heisenberg, which explains his house, etc, his disappearance also explains his neighbors reaction). He then goes with his gun and has a shootout with someone (again, only part I'm not sure of, I'm sure Jesse would be protected by the DEA so it's probably not him, maybe Hank) and after it's over he uses the ricin on himself.

This is probably way off, I can never predict anything correctly on this show.

I don't see any scenario where Walt leaves his family behind and leaves Skylar with this mess to deal with. He's smart enough to already know that Hank isn't going to stop and will even go after Skylar if thats what it takes. Sure, there's the confession tape that Skylar can use against Hank, but there's still the loose end of Jesse, who he still doesn't know is working with the DEA. All in all, there's way too many unknowns for Walt to just leave and let Skylar deal with and potentially take the fall. I can see him leaving if he knows for sure that Skylar won't be implicated, since this would get the DEA off his back and the money will still be there for his family, but thats not the case.

And since I don't think Walt would leave his family behind, I think his family is dead by the time the flash forward comes because that's the only circumstance where he would leave ABQ without his family or come back from NH without his family (assuming his family goes with him to start a new life).
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:48 PM   #1507
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I don't see any scenario where Walt leaves his family behind and leaves Skylar with this mess to deal with. He's smart enough to already know that Hank isn't going to stop and will even go after Skylar if thats what it takes. Sure, there's the confession tape that Skylar can use against Hank, but there's still the loose end of Jesse, who he still doesn't know is working with the DEA. All in all, there's way too many unknowns for Walt to just leave and let Skylar deal with and potentially take the fall. I can see him leaving if he knows for sure that Skylar won't be implicated, since this would get the DEA off his back and the money will still be there for his family, but thats not the case.

And since I don't think Walt would leave his family behind, I think his family is dead by the time the flash forward comes because that's the only circumstance where he would leave ABQ without his family or come back from NH without his family (assuming his family goes with him to start a new life).
I was thinking more about the family issue, and I agree he wouldn't leave his family behind.

This is one scenario I could possibly see happen:

The whole thing heats up with the DEA, and Hank starts to put tons of pressure on Skylar by threatening to indict her for laundering the money, Skylar who panics about her children decides to flip as well, she flips on Walt and enters witness protection with the children. At this point Walt realizes he's lost everything, has Saul set him up with a new life, and then the theory plays out.

Again, I just don't know what's going to happen, I'm sure I'm wrong, but these are my thoughts. I also could see this happening because it would show Skylar panic and her flipping on Walt would make her the ultimate villain and even more unlikeable.

This would also make it easier for Walt to justify killing Hank, because Hank essentially took his family away. I just have a feeling the ending of this show is Walt losing everything in a epic way.

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Old 09-02-2013, 03:50 PM   #1508
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The episode description for next week's episode reads "things heat up for Walt in unexpected ways" and the description for the subsequent episode reads "everyone copes with radically changed circumstances." Next week's episode is going to be a real game changer, no doubt about it. I'm hyped!


Also, I'd fuck Marie.

Anything involving Jesse, Hank, Lydia, Todd and his Uncle really shouldn't be unexpected since they've all approached him at some point with their agendas. Maybe a new player comes in. Possibly Gus's old Chilean friends who had so much power that the cartel would never kill Gus? Obviously might be a longshot, and maybe it is still something involving the current players but I agree, its definitely going to be crazy.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:55 PM   #1509
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maybe jesse goes and tells walt jr. about his dad's secret. walt has really done a lot of wrong things to preserve his interests. he killed jesse's drugee girlfriend. he also indirectly led to the plane crash that killed many people. he poisoned brock.

each remaining episode gets more and more intense.
Ridiculous. Can't blame Walt for Jane's dad going back to work too soon.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:56 PM   #1510
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I was thinking more about the family issue, and I agree he wouldn't leave his family behind.

This is one scenario I could possibly see happen:

The whole thing heats up with the DEA, and Hank starts to put tons of pressure on Skylar by threatening to indict her for laundering the money, Skylar who panics about her children decides to flip as well, she flips on Walt and enters witness protection with the children. At this point Walt realizes he's lost everything, has Saul set him up with a new life, and then the theory plays out.

Again, I just don't know what's going to happen, I'm sure I'm wrong, but these are my thoughts. I also could see this happening because it would show Skylar panic and her flipping on Walt would make her the ultimate villain and even more unlikeable.

This would also make it easier for Walt to justify killing Hank, because Hank essentially took his family away. I just have a feeling the ending of this show is Walt losing everything in a epic way.

Hank has already threatened Skylar. And if she does flip, I don't see Walt just easily leaving like that. He's about to die from cancer anyway. Unless going away would save the money, which it wouldn't if Skylar flips, I think Walt would rather just spend his last days in jail hoping to get some visits from his family then just leave off by his lonesome to die soon anyway.

Now I am starting to think maybe Jesse's whole plan involves Skylar somehow. He was staring at the picture with Skylar and Walt, and then he says to Walt "I'm going to get you where you really live." " If it involves Skylar, then Jesse would have to have some evidence of the money laundering, which I don't understand where that would come from or what plan he would have to get it.
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Old 09-02-2013, 04:03 PM   #1511
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Hank has already threatened Skylar. And if she does flip, I don't see Walt just easily leaving like that. He's about to die from cancer anyway. Unless going away would save the money, which it wouldn't if Skylar flips, I think Walt would rather just spend his last days in jail hoping to get some visits from his family then just leave off by his lonesome to die soon anyway.

Now I am starting to think maybe Jesse's whole plan involves Skylar somehow. He was staring at the picture with Skylar and Walt, and then he says to Walt "I'm going to get you where you really live." " If it involves Skylar, then Jesse would have to have some evidence of the money laundering, which I don't understand where that would come from or what plan he would have to get it.
Hank has threatened Skylar, but when he did, he didn't have anything on Walt, if Jesse is flipped, it's a whole other story. If Skylar and the kids flip and disappear, I don't think Walt has any issue fleeing, in the end he's always only worried about himself or his family, if his family is gone and he can't contact them, I see no reason he wouldn't flee and cover his own ass. I could see him doing this, then reflecting on it and coming back for his last hurrah, though.
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Old 09-02-2013, 04:25 PM   #1512
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A few more things to think about:

- I think it's obvious Jesse is all in with Hank and the DEA now. This was cemented in my mind when Hank picked Jesse up and Jesse told Hank he had a better plan to take down Walt

- Also, isn't it possible now that Walt's "confession" could backfire on him epically? Walt basically confesses to everything, he just includes Hank as his partner. If Jesse and Hank can come up with evidence that Hank wasn't involved, then Walt basically screwed himself.
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:57 PM   #1513
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Ridiculous. Can't blame Walt for Jane's dad going back to work too soon.
Can't blame Jane's dad for his daughter dying.. He was bound to go back to work anyways. Plus, writers of breaking bad said the same thing i'm saying. "walt indirectly caused the plane crash"...

also, it doesn't matter two shits if jane's dad went back to work or not. even if he took 5 years to go back to work, the same thing could have happened. all it takes is one flash back of your daughter dying and you zone out.
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Can't blame Jane's dad for his daughter dying.. He was bound to go back to work anyways. Plus, writers of breaking bad said the same thing i'm saying. "walt indirectly caused the plane crash"...

also, it doesn't matter two shits if jane's dad went back to work or not. even if he took 5 years to go back to work, the same thing could have happened. all it takes is one flash back of your daughter dying and you zone out.
If it took a flashback, then he should find a new profession. He was 100% to blame for that plane crash.
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Old 09-02-2013, 06:41 PM   #1515
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He's attributing butterfly effect culpability.
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