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Old 08-22-2012, 10:55 PM   #196
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Default Re: Barkley: I'm better than Malone

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karl malone vs charles barkley head to head in the regular season:

malone: 23.7ppg, 10.1rpg 3.2apg, 1.3spg, 0.8bpg, 3.0topg, 52%fg
barkley: 18.4ppg, 10.1rpg, 3.8apg, 1.4spg, 0.5bpg, 3.2topg, 47%fg

malone: 23 wins
barkley: 16 wins

karl malone vs charles barkley head to head in the playoffs:

malone: 24.3ppg, 11.7rpg, 2.2apg, 1.4spg, 1.3bpg, 2.9topg, 44%fg
barkley: 13.3ppg, 8.7rpg, 2.7apg, 1.0spg, 0.3bpg, 2.3topg, 45%fg

malone: 6 wins
barkley: 4 wins

This is what matters, when the two meet head to head....and looks like Malone has a pretty safe lead..
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:03 PM   #197
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This is what matters, when the two meet head to head....and looks like Malone has a pretty safe lead..



Do The Stats When Barkley was Still with the Suns from 1985-86 to 1994-95 and Barkley Out Plays Malone. Even tight till 1995-96.

It Wasn`t thill the 1995-96 that Malone Outplayed Barkley in Their Last Meetings When Barkley Left to Houston as 2nd or 3rd Option

So for 70% of Their Meetings...Barkley Outplays Malone

For 30% of Their Last Meetings Malone Outplays Barkley.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=236157

In General Barkley was Better than Malone from 1985 to 1995:

Head to Head: from 85-95
Higher PER Top 9 and 10 All Time
Higher EFF Top 10 All Time
Higher Plus/Minus (+/-) Top 5 All Time
Higher WS
Highe OWS
Higher WS Per 48 Minutes (Top 8 All Time) etc

Its Very Simple:

- For Kiddos that Saw the NBA from 1996 on...Malone > Barkley
- For Elderes Who Saw Them Play in Their Primes...Barkley > Malone

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Old 08-22-2012, 11:04 PM   #198
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Watch out ya gonna get the but barkley was a role player after his injury lecture lol
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:08 PM   #199
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Geez your quick, id like to see their h2h stats from 85-86 to 95-96 even though thats not malones prime (94-95 to 00-01)
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:10 PM   #200
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This is what matters, when the two meet head to head....and looks like Malone has a pretty safe lead..

Head to head stats are what matter? You really think a few games a year matter more than an entire 82 game season?

That doesn't make any sense...at all. All head to head stats show is how players MAY have matched up individually. It tells you more about match ups, not who was better. A player may struggle more against a role player than a superstar because that particular role player may be more suited to guard that player than the superstar.

But beyond that, it tells you more about how a player fares against a team because we can't forget that players are usually doubled, particularly Barkley who was arguably one of the 3 most double teamed players of the past 20-25 years along with Hakeem and Shaq.

Beyond that, nobody should EVER use head to head stats to try to prove anything unless they've seen EVERY one of those games because unless you do, you do not know how often these players guarded each other. Just because 2 stars are listed at the same position, does not mean they were the primary defenders against each other at all times. I remember entire games when Barkley and Malone weren't the primary defenders on each other.

And the bottom line is how a player fares against the entire league on average is how they should be judged, not how they fare against 1 player.



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Geez your quick, id like to see their h2h stats from 85-86 to 95-96 even though thats not malones prime (94-95 to 00-01)

You could argue that Malone's prime started in the late 80's or early 90's. You could argue it lasted until 2000, imo, but I think 2001 is pushing it.

Malone was definitely in his prime by '94, he had become the excellent post defender, a great passer, a consistent shooter and he basically had the same post game as he did when Utah went to back to back finals.

But Barkley's prime obviously wasn't that whole stretch from '86-'96 either. It was probably from '88-'93, maybe it started in '89, but I usually say '88.He was arguably as good as he ever was in '93, but that also happened to be his last prime season.

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Old 08-22-2012, 11:11 PM   #201
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Geez your quick, id like to see their h2h stats from 85-86 to 95-96 even though thats not malones prime (94-95 to 00-01)

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=236157

So U are Saying Malone Was Better from 1996 to 2003 age 32-39 or 40?

He Managed to Stay Healthier But He Wasn`t th Dominant Player He Was from 1985 to 1995 ages 22-31. Not Even Close
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:16 PM   #202
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Not Only Did Barkley Outplay Karl Malone for 70% of Their Total 100% Head to Head Match Ups When HEALTHY and BOTH in Their PRIMES but he was THE TOTAL BETTER PLAYER

HEALTHY PRIME BARKLEY (before back and knee injuries) VS HEALTHY PRIME MALONE 1985-1985: ages 22-31

PLAYER COMPARISON:

Barkley

37 MPG (Playing Less Minutes)

22.7 PPG (14,6 FGAs PG only) on 55.5% FG (Way More Effective Scorer!)

11,3 RPG (More!)
3.8 APG (More!)
1.6 SPG (More!)
0.9 BPG (More!)

3.2 TOVs PG (Ofcourse! He Didnīt Have Stockton. He Had To Create For Himself!)
3.1 PFs PG (Less!)
eFG% 57.1%
TS% 62.3% (More!)
ORB%:12,5% (More!)
DRB%17,7% (More!)
AT% 17.1% (More!)
STL% 2.2 (More!)
BLK% 1.5% (Per Total Minutes Higher)

TOV% 15.1% (With More Offensive Responsabilities Ofcourse, NO STOCKTON TO DESIGN FOR HIM)
USAGE% 25.1% (Lesser Usage% and More Effiiency/Impact)
OFFENSIVE RATING: 120 (More!) (8 plus on Malone)
DEFENSIVE RATING: 105 (Only 4 Minus with NO EATON, Stockton a Top DRT Player in his Prime or Bailey: Better Defenders than what Barkley had in his team)
OFFESIVE WIN SHARES: 98.4 (More!) (Sharing It With Scrubs from 87-92)
DEFENSIVE WIN SHARES: 41.6 (Malone Sharing it with Eaton, Stockton, Baily...Better Defenders than Any of the Suns or Late 80s Phily Teamates)
WIN SHARES: 140 (More!) (Sharing It With Scrubs from 87-92)
PLAYER EFFICIENCY RATING: 25.1 (More!)

Malone

37.6 MPG (Playing More)

26.0 PPG on 18.3 FGAs PG (3.3 more than Barkley) to shoot: 52.6% (Less Effective Scorer!: Less Of a Scorer Period!)

10.9 RPG (Less!)
3.0 APG (Less!)
1.4 SPG (Less!)
0.9 BPG (Less Per Minute!)
3.2 TOVs PG (Less!)
3.4 PFs PG (Less!)
TS%: 58.1% (Less!)
eFG%: 52.8% (Less!)
TRB%: 16.5% (Less!)
AT%: 13.8% (Less!),

USAGE%: 29.1%(More Usage and Less Effective!)
OFFENSIVE RATING: 112 (Less by 8 plus)
DEFENSIVE RATING (slighty more by 4 plus: Eaton, Stockton, Baily for Help)
OFFENSIE WIN SHARES: 98.4 (Less)
WIN SHARES: 123.2 (Less!)
PER: 23.1 (Less!)


Barkley > Malone-Stockton Co Parasitical System
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:23 PM   #203
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Ok what i got from that is barkley had better steals, assists, rebounds and more eff, malone scored more blocked more shots and had less turnovers all in all very close and thats with barkleys whole prime and not malones
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Old 08-23-2012, 12:08 AM   #204
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Ok what i got from that is barkley had better steals, assists, rebounds and more eff, malone scored more blocked more shots and had less turnovers all in all very close and thats with barkleys whole prime and not malones

That is including 1995-96 which is the year that Malone took Over. NEVER BEFORE.

What are you saying Kiddo...Barkley a Better FT SHooter than Malone cause of the Matchups? Malone was Better FT Shooter He Worked Harder (less talent) for Those.

Ofcourse Barkley had more Turnovers...You Know He Had To CREATE for the Sixers to and WAS WAY MORE DOUBLED than Malone who did not develop a decent post game till around 1997. Unlike Malone Who Had to CREATE NOTHING for HIM OR HIS TEMATES because of a man called JOHN STOCKTON WHO RAN THE PLAY-S FOR MALONE to Score. THE GREATEST CREATOR AND PASSER EVER.

Also Barkley shot 55% FG in the 2-Point Region while Malone shot 50%. That is 5% More a Difference Between a Player Shooting 45% to 50%. Thats alot. Especially at PF.

Malone took 3-4 More Shots Per Game too while Being Less Effective too.

Do the stats from 1985-96 to 1994-95 the Season (i included the 95-96 season when Barkley was done and Malone was Better) When Barkley got Back Injured and Those Favor Barkley.

Also Head to Heads Don`t Mean Much because You Don`t Know Who Guarded Who all Time. The only thing i can say is that before 1995-96 when they Guarded Each Other Barkley Schooled him.

Barkley before Back Injured and ****ing his Knee Up in 1996-97 WAS A MUCH BETTER TOTAL PLAYER THAN MALONE. I SAW IT LIVE in the 80s and early-mid 90s

Also Look Up On What I Put in PLAYER COMPARISON ages 22-31

And that is EXCLUDING PLAY-OFF NUMBERS. PLAY-OFFS: WHERE MALONE ALWAYS DECLINED HEAVILY COMPARED TO BARKLEY

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Old 08-23-2012, 02:22 AM   #205
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You wrote more blocks but thats not the case, can cherry pick all you want hey i can do the same imagine comparing the stats in malones prime 94-00 think we know how that would go, malones game took time to polish he worked hard on it something barkley lacked, i never brought up the h2h stats your the one posting the statsheet

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Old 08-23-2012, 03:20 AM   #206
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You wrote more blocks but thats not the case, can cherry pick all you want hey i can do the same imagine comparing the stats in malones prime 94-00 think we know how that would go, malones game took time to polish he worked hard on it something barkley lacked, i never brought up the h2h stats your the one posting the statsheet



Still you Avoid the fact Barkley outplayed him for 70% of Career While Malone Outplayed Barkley Only 30% Of It = When Charles Left to Houston as an Injured Overweight 2nd and 3rd Option,

Also You Avoid the Player Comparisson Where Clearly Barkley Was Better for 10-11 Years While Malone for the Last 5 Years of Barkley`s Houston Era.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:27 AM   #207
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10 or 11 years? 85-86, 86-87, 87-88, 88-89, 89-90,90-91,91-92, 93-94 thats 8 years ofcourse your gonna argue but 94-95 is the last year, i disagree
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:54 AM   #208
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10 or 11 years? 85-86, 86-87, 87-88, 88-89, 89-90,90-91,91-92, 93-94 thats 8 years ofcourse your gonna argue but 94-95 is the last year, i disagree



Barkley had a Higher PER in 1994-95 and ALWAYS a Higher PER in the Play-Offs...ALLWAYS.

I included 1995-96 for those head to head stats and thats the Year When Barkley began to Decline Heavily so its 1985-86 to 1995-96. So its 10 Years

For the Player Comparisson i used 1985-86 to 1994-95 if you add 1995-96 Barkley still has a Higher PER, EFF, Plus/Minus, WS, OWS and WS Per 48 Minutes. Do it Yourself and See.

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Old 08-23-2012, 12:26 PM   #209
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Ok so were just talking h2h then well it seems they were very close in your stats , your avoiding the fact that your cherry picking years prime barkley and pre prime malone
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Ok so were just talking h2h then well it seems they were very close in your stats , your avoiding the fact that your cherry picking years prime barkley and pre prime malone

So You Say Malone was Better ages 33-40? Than 22-32?

I Think He Just Kept a Good Level Cause of His Work Ethic Physically But He Wasn`t Better after that He Just Aged Well In a Good Level Passed His Prime...

Malone was More Scary ages 22-32 because of his Mobility and For Barkley He Was Just Insane in his Prime Years
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