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Old 07-18-2012, 11:17 PM   #136
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Clearly? Ehhh i dont know about that



He means clearly in between Romo and Ben. The answer is obvious.
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:47 PM   #137
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the whole "this quarter is worth more than that quarter" is overrated IMO


every quarter is important

every TD is 7 points

every game matters



when it comes down to it, when looking at purely from a mathmatical standpoint, it's all the same...games can be won or lost in the 1st quarter

you can lose your playoff hopes because of what you did in WEEK 1

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Old 07-19-2012, 01:06 PM   #138
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Yeah, if only Romo hadn't given two games away early in the year, they'd actually have been playing in a "big" game.

You can argue all you want that Dez ran the wrong route, or didn't try hard enough, but Romo tossed the ball into double coverage executed perfectly. Huge no no.

Go take a look at what Romo is looking at when he decided to pull the trigger - you'll see that there was nothing there, no matter where Dez ran. Romo tossed it up for grabs in a situation that you just can't do that in. Worst case scenario in that situation, game tied with 1 minute left, 1st down, you throw it out of bounds. You don't throw a ball up for grabs into double coverage at the sideline for like a 10 yard gain if completed.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:13 PM   #139
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Yeah, if only Romo hadn't given two games away early in the year, they'd actually have been playing in a "big" game.

You can argue all you want that Dez ran the wrong route, or didn't try hard enough, but Romo tossed the ball into double coverage executed perfectly. Huge no no.

Go take a look at what Romo is looking at when he decided to pull the trigger - you'll see that there was nothing there, no matter where Dez ran. Romo tossed it up for grabs in a situation that you just can't do that in. Worst case scenario in that situation, game tied with 1 minute left, 1st down, you throw it out of bounds. You don't throw a ball up for grabs into double coverage at the sideline for like a 10 yard gain if completed.
on a come back route the QB throws the ball BEFORE the WR "comes back"

Dez didn't come back


and it wasn't double coverage, it was zone coverage where Revis was playing short and safety was playing over the top...

to be clear though I do think that it was a bad idea regardless of the fact that Dez didn't come back...some of it can be blamed on Romo, some coaching, when your up by a decent amount you RUN THE BALL, but there is no question that Dez screwed up big time on that.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:01 PM   #140
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on a come back route the QB throws the ball BEFORE the WR "comes back"

Dez didn't come back


and it wasn't double coverage, it was zone coverage where Revis was playing short and safety was playing over the top...

to be clear though I do think that it was a bad idea regardless of the fact that Dez didn't come back...some of it can be blamed on Romo, some coaching, when your up by a decent amount you RUN THE BALL, but there is no question that Dez screwed up big time on that.

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It wasn't double coverage?

Just because there isn't two defenders on him right at the snap of the ball doesn't mean he's not doubled. Teams do this type of "doubling" all the time to Randy Moss in his prime, play him man to man up front with a safety over the top. That's the most basic double team in the NFL really. It's what they did to Dez here, except they disguised it pre-snap and Romo didn't figure it out post-snap.

This guy.

You gotta be the worst when it comes to X and O's....you have such a "I'm right" attitude...."Oh no, he wasn't double covered, it was blah blah blah" only for it to be the exact opposite. This goes for not only this situation, but many others in the past on this forum.
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And do you have any proof that this was a called comeback route in the huddle? You seem so sure that you must have proof of it.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:12 PM   #142
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It was EXACTLY what I said it was, zone coverage with a safety over the top...

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Old 07-19-2012, 02:17 PM   #143
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And do you have any proof that this was a called comeback route in the huddle? You seem so sure that you must have proof of it.
We have proof Romo thought he was...unless he was really throwing deep and the ball slipped

OBVIOUSLY Dez got confussed in that zone gap
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on a come back route the QB throws the ball BEFORE the WR "comes back"

Dez didn't come back


and it wasn't double coverage, it was zone coverage where Revis was playing short and safety was playing over the top...

to be clear though I do think that it was a bad idea regardless of the fact that Dez didn't come back...some of it can be blamed on Romo, some coaching, when your up by a decent amount you RUN THE BALL, but there is no question that Dez screwed up big time on that.

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It was zone coverage, Revis had the jump on everything short, and the safety had Dez long...a fckin blind man can see that
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What's double coverage mean to you? Two guys up on the receiver at the line of scrimmage pre-snap?

*shakes head*
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:39 PM   #147
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Often, an offense has one or two players who are their most skilled or most dangerous receivers. These players will usually face double coverage, to try to eliminate that player’s effectiveness in the routes. If a player is skilled at running routes, a second defender is needed to keep the ball from ever reaching the receiver. If a player has great speed or cutting ability, two defenders might be employed to make sure the tackle is made after a catch.

In double coverage, there is usually underneath and deep coverage. Underneath coverage is usually done by a cornerback or linebacker, meant to stay between the receiver and the quarterback and cover any "short" patterns.

A safety usually completes the double-team by taking deep coverage or "over the top" coverage. This means the underneath defender can concentrate on defending the pass and looking for an interception, while the safety makes certain the receiver does not get behind the defense for a long pass. Also, if the ball is thrown underneath, the safety makes certain a tackle is made and might go for a big hit on the receiver.

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Old 07-19-2012, 02:39 PM   #148
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did you even watch this?

Baldinger says that one of the mistakes that Tony made was assuming that it was M2M when it was really zone and the the saftey had A ZONE OVER THE TOP
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What's double coverage mean to you? Two guys up on the receiver at the line of scrimmage pre-snap?

*shakes head*
no...but that wasn't double coverage

news flash for you, I actually played both CB and WR in school...did you?
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Nobody can be this stupid.
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