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Old 01-23-2007, 02:00 AM   #61
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So, let me get this straight. If you have the choice to start a team today, and you had a choice between Amare and Camby as your starting center, you would take Camby over Amare?
No.
Amare has like 8 years on Camby.
That's a no brainer.
But just because I'd take Amare doesn't necessarily mean he's a better player.
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:03 AM   #62
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So, let me get this straight. If you have the choice to start a team today, and you had a choice between Amare and Camby as your starting center, you would take Camby over Amare?


With that logic. Greg Oden should be in the all-star game since I would take him over Amare on my team
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:06 AM   #63
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Hmm, no backing? Right, when everyone drooled over Amare scoring a WHOPPING 6 points more in 3 minutes less while being a higher option over Camby, didn't I say Camby gets +2 dimes, which can = 6 points and then he also gets +1 block taking away 2 points from the opposition? Then if you count in the number of offensive rebounds to give his squad a second chance along with taking away second chances from Amare, cancels out the 6 point differential and does more. Yeah, that really is not backing it up, right? Exactly.

Scoring almost 7 points more goes beyond statistics, it draws double teams, adjustments for the other team's defense. Amare is constantly drawing double teams in the post, which gives Nash a clear pass to a wide open Raja Bell or Shawn Marion. Camby has no such effect.

Simply saying; ''+2 assists = 6 points" doesn't make much sense. How is that an advantage? One of the reasons he gets those assists is because he is an inefficient scorer in a high octane offense. Of course he's going to get assists when he often struggles with scoring and has some top scorers on his team.

1 block takes away 2 points? True, but often means that the other team gets another possession. What % of those would you honestly say he taps to his own teammates? Maybe 60% tops. According to the statistics, his team allows less points with him out of the game. Maybe because Nene or whatever bigman comes in for him isn't getting pushed around like he is. How do you explain that? Is anyone going to suggest he gets outscored in garbage time? No, because his coach knows he's an injury liability so he doesn't even play in garbage time.
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I'm sorry but I have yet to hear an argument that trumps my first post.

are you kidding...your first post is a joke

lets compare iverson and andre miller with your logic

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iverson>miller

rebounds
miller>iverson

blocks
miller>iverson

assists
miller>iverson

steals
iverson>miller....1 thing different than the amare/camby argument

less turnovers
miller>iverson

less fouls
miller>iverson

so according to your logic miller>iverson lol
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:09 AM   #65
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Scoring almost 7 points more goes beyond statistics, it draws double teams, adjustments for the other team's defense. Amare is constantly drawing double teams in the post, which gives Nash a clear pass to a wide open Raja Bell or Shawn Marion. Camby has no such effect.

Simply saying; ''+2 assists = 6 points" doesn't make much sense. How is that an advantage? One of the reasons he gets those assists is because he is an inefficient scorer in a high octane offense. Of course he's going to get assists when he often struggles with scoring and has some top scorers on his team.

1 block takes away 2 points? True, but often means that the other team gets another possession. What % of those would you honestly say he taps to his own teammates? Maybe 60% tops. According to the statistics, his team allows less points with him out of the game. Maybe because Nene or whatever bigman comes in for him isn't getting pushed around like he is. How do you explain that? Is anyone going to suggest he gets outscored in garbage time? No, because his coach knows he's an injury liability so he doesn't even play in garbage time.

Do you realize how Camby's blocking ability changes so many shots?
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No.
Amare has like 8 years on Camby.
That's a no brainer.
But just because I'd take Amare doesn't necessarily mean he's a better player.
Alright seriously, let's use common sense here. You can have Camby at the same age as Amare if I must spell it out for you.
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are you kidding...your first post is a joke

Not to metion he doesn't even go near one the biggest stats of all.

60% FG to 48% FG. +7% on FT shooting for Amare. Being that efficient on offensive is HUGE to your overall game and effect on the opposing team's defense.
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:11 AM   #68
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Do you realize how Camby's blocking ability changes so many shots?

do you relize how amares defensive prescence changes shots????

if cambys blocking ability changes so many shots...why do the nuggets play better defense when hes out???
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If Camby can stay healthy, he is obviously the better player. However, thats never going to happen, lol.
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:15 AM   #70
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are you kidding...your first post is a joke

lets compare iverson and andre miller with your logic

pts
iverson>miller

rebounds
miller>iverson

blocks
miller>iverson

assists
miller>iverson

steals
iverson>miller....1 thing different than the amare/camby argument

less turnovers
miller>iverson

less fouls
miller>iverson

so according to your logic miller>iverson lol

Iverson is top 4 in the league in scoring and steals. He averages one less assist then Miller who is known as a passing guard. And you don't measure guards by rebounds and blocks. Your example doesn't work.

And Miller is underrated as hell anyway
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Camby is averaging 13 points and 17 rebounds in january alone. The talks aren't starting because of tonight buddy.

Amare Jan. = 20/10

Camby Jan.= 12.75/17

Amare in Jan. with Barbosa Nash Marion & Bell

Camby in Jan. with pretty much only AI and Boykins.

I want to see his stats from now on with AI, Melo and Smith.
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do you relize how amares defensive prescence changes shots????

if cambys blocking ability changes so many shots...why do the nuggets play better defense when hes out???


Do you know why nobody has answered this? Because you're trying to say the nuggets are a better defensive team with Marcus Camby on the bench.
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if cambys blocking ability changes so many shots...why do the nuggets play better defense when hes out???

They don't!!
IF you honestly think that the Nuggets' defense is better with Camby out, there is no sense in having a debate with you.

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Alright seriously, let's use common sense here. You can have Camby at the same age as Amare if I must spell it out for you.

Again, I would take Amare. More potential. But I still think Camby is the better player. Does that make sense?
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are you kidding...your first post is a joke

lets compare iverson and andre miller with your logic

pts
iverson>miller

rebounds
miller>iverson

blocks
miller>iverson

assists
miller>iverson

steals
iverson>miller....1 thing different than the amare/camby argument

less turnovers
miller>iverson

less fouls
miller>iverson

so according to your logic miller>iverson lol

And FG%
Miller> Iverson

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Old 01-23-2007, 02:20 AM   #75
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Amare Jan. = 20/10

Camby Jan.= 12.75/17

Amare in Jan. with Barbosa Nash Marion & Bell

Camby in Jan. with pretty much only AI and Boykins.

I want to see his stats from now on with AI, Melo and Smith.

Makes no sense...Melo and JR wouldn't have taken away from his rebounds. And he averages nearly 12 points in his career.
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