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Old 07-28-2012, 10:46 PM   #61
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And @ this.

Now you're just showing how ignorant you are. Do you not even realize a massive percentage of weapons out there are semi automatic?

This is a Ruger 44 carbine, an INREDIBLY POPULAR semi automatic hunting rifle:



The only reason you think the AR15 is "bad" is because it's a scary looking black gun

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Nice try at changing the subject. The AR-15 had been outlawed under the assault weapons ban, which defined those guns as the following...

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Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those which are mounted externally)

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine


Going back to that standard would be a good step in the right direction.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:50 PM   #62
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The point is we don't have this debate every time somebody is killed by a drunk driver. We attack the INDIVIDUAL responsible, not every person who owns a car.

Also, over 50k people die every year from 2nd hand smoke. 10 times as many as firearm related murders.

http://www.no-smoke.org/getthefacts.php?id=13
Steps have been taken to limit exposure to second-hand smoke. For those of us that have been alive for 20-30 years, the differences in where/when you can smoke cigarettes now as compared to 25 years ago is astounding.

Being a chaing-smoker today is a whole lot harder than it was decades ago. Gun ownership should follow a similar trend.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:52 PM   #63
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Nice try at changing the subject. The AR-15 had been outlawed under the assault weapons ban, which defined those guns as the following...



Going back to that standard would be a good step in the right direction.

You realize that even under the provisions you just quoted, I could still buy this AR15:

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You realize that even under the provisions you just quoted, I could still buy this AR15:
And?
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:03 PM   #65
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And?

So what is your point? The Aurora shooter did not have a grenade launcher or a silencer.
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:08 PM   #66
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So what is your point? The Aurora shooter did not have a grenade launcher or a silencer.
The AR-15 used in Aurora was covered under the AWB... As was the Tec-9, AK47, etc.

As I said, re-instituting it would be a step in the right direction. And, no, he wouldn't have been able to buy the weapon that he bought in the manner that he bought it under those previous constraints.

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Old 07-28-2012, 11:35 PM   #67
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The AR-15 used in Aurora was covered under the AWB... As was the Tec-9, AK47, etc.

As I said, re-instituting it would be a step in the right direction. And, no, he wouldn't have been able to buy the weapon that he bought in the manner that he bought it under those previous constraints.

Back when the AWB was put in effect, Colt made this model of AR15 (basically identical minus a bayonet attachment) which would have been legal under the law:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/co...rget-hbar.html

I agree that a bayonet fixture, a grenade launcher or a silencer are totally unnecessary and should be banned. Same with the 100 round magazine.

However I want people to realize that just because a gun is black and military looking and doesn't have a wood stock like a traditional hunting rifle doesn't make it any more dangerous than said hunting rifle.
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Nobody has ever said they want "MORE GUNS YALL!!!". That is just some liberal bullshit. We want the firearms guaranteed to us in the constitution for hunting and recreational shooting and we want you whiny liberals to back the fck off.

gun sales are up after the aurora shooting.. what part of that is not "more guns." when i say more guns i'm not saying it is a demand. i am saying it is a response to fear based on the false premise of increased safety.

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How many people die every year from cigarettes? A quick google search reveals over ONE HUNDRED times as many people die every year from smoking related illness than are shot and killed by firearms (including accidents and suicides).

cigarettes are intended for personal satisfaction. guns are purposefully designed to kill things. it is apples and oranges.

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How many people die every year from drunk drivers? Google says one every 30 minutes, approximately 5 times as many as firearm victims. How many drunk drivers are repeat offenders and allowed to eventually drive again?

again, cars are transportation. alcohol is satisfaction. they shouldn't be mixed. and law enforcement try their best to stop it.

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There are much bigger killers in America but you never see people campaigning to outlaw cigarettes or ban drunk drivers from ever driving again.

the entire argument you are making is nonsense. it is like saying heart disease is the biggest killer - lets outlaw hearts. it is a false analogy. cigarettes and drunk driving is a completely different kettle of fish compared to the legalization of firearms.
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