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Old 06-25-2006, 02:03 PM   #46
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Why is that? Better then he can dream? In his prime he was 20/11, Amare was 26/9 in his 3rd year. . .
In some cases, stats don't tell the entire story. I wasn't trying to downgrade Amare's game, but just pointing out that Kemp was a lot smoother and more versatile than I believe that Amare will ever become. Just my opinion.

One of my favorite plays of all time happened when Kemp took a rebound (I forget against what team), and went coast to coast, dribbling like a guard all around people, finishing with a hellacious slam in the lane. It was an awesome display of his all-around skills. Amare can't match that versatility, as good as he is.

Kemp could easily have averaged closer to 30ppg, had he been called upon to do so. However the Seattle offense with Payton, Detlef Schrempf, Sam Perkins, and Hersey Hawkins - all established scorers - was a lot more diversified and didn't rely on him as much as Phoenix did Amare.

Its a pretty interesting comparison, though - for many reasons. Both players came straight out of high school with big question marks surrounding them. Both came into the league and immediately had an impact. Both possessed HOF-level skills on entry. Hopefully Amare will keep things together better than Kemp did.

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Old 06-25-2006, 02:04 PM   #47
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Wow, Amare is getting really underrated here. People who said he has no shot must have never seen him play since his rookie year. That mid-range 15 footer is money for him now. Amare in the playoffs last year was more unguardable and more dominant than Kemp has ever been. No one on the Mavs, Spurs or Grizzlies could stop him, he had one bad game against the Mavs...and that's it. Kemp has had his moments of dominance, but he was pretty inconsistent. Some nights he would be 30+ and other nights he wouldn't even manage to take 10 shots. I think Amare is better than Kemp on offense, but Kemp is a MUCH better rebounder than Amare is and will be. If I had to choose, it would be pre-injury Amare...it'd be close though.
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In some cases, stats don't tell the entire story. I wasn't trying to downgrade Amare's game, but just pointing out that Kemp was a lot smoother and more versatile that I believe that Amare will ever become. Just my opinion.

One of my favorite plays of all time happened when Kemp took a rebound (I forget against what team), and went coast to coast, dribbling like a guard all around people, finishing with a hellacious slam in the lane. It was an awesome display of his all-around skills. Amare can't match that versatility, as good as he is.

Kemp could easily have averaged closer to 30ppg, had he been called upon to do so. However the Seattle offense with Payton, Detlef Schrempf, Sam Perkins, and Hersey Hawkins - all established scorers - was a lot more diversified and didn't rely on him as much as Phoenix did Amare.

Its a pretty interesting comparison, though - for many reasons. Both players came straight out of high school with big question marks surrounding them. Both came into the league and immediately had an impact. Both possessed HOF-level skills on entry. Hopefully Amare will keep things together better than Kemp did.

Kemp come out of Trinity J.C. not High School.

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Old 06-25-2006, 02:07 PM   #49
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right now id take kemp...but there is no way u can say kemp is better than amare can even think of being...IF AMARE STOUDEMIRE RETURNS TO FULL HEALTH, QUOTE '' HE WILL BE THE BEST PF EVER''...YES EVER! better than Duncan, better than Malone, better than Garnett, better than Nowitzki, better than Barkley
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Kemp come out of Trinity J.C. not High School.
That's not really accurate. Here's the deal:

Kemp signed a national letter-of-intent to play basketball at the University of Kentucky, but was kicked off the team before the season started for allegedly pawning a teammate's jewelry. He transferred mid-season to Trinity Valley Community College in Texas, but was too late to suit up. After a semester at TVCC, 19-year-old Shawn Kemp declared himself eligible for the 1989 NBA Draft without any collegiate experience.
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That's not really accurate. Here's the deal:

Kemp signed a national letter-of-intent to play basketball at the University of Kentucky, but was kicked off the team before the season started for allegedly pawning a teammate's jewelry. He transferred mid-season to Trinity Valley Community College in Texas, but was too late to suit up. After a semester at TVCC, 19-year-old Shawn Kemp declared himself eligible for the 1989 NBA Draft without any collegiate experience.

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I don't know if he played there or not, I just know video games list Trinity as his college team. Just check NBA live 1998.
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Old 06-25-2006, 03:08 PM   #52
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kemp was just so much more explosive, watch a highlight movie of kemp and then watch a highlight movie of amare, and tell me whos sicker, and be truthfull, watch a real video, here ill even give u two links to two of kemps highlight videos....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OlAuCLFqj...h=shawn%20kemp

I'm taking Amare and I made the premier Kemp video (expiredpineapples) that you posted a link to.

If the argument was for next season would I take a prime Kemp or a Amare coming off an entired missed season, I would probably take a prime Kemp but if the argument is prime Kemp or Amare for the future or just Kemp as a rookie and Amare as a rookie for the next 10 years then i'm taking Amare without a doubt.

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Kemp did so much on defense too...amare has a way to go
I've been more impressed with a few defensive games by Amare (including a rookie game that I saw in person against the Rockets but I do believe he has a lot to learn about playing man-to-man defense) then I have with Kemp. I think stat people are looking at these highlight videos I've made and thinking that it was a norm. Look at Darrell Armstrong, I wouldn't call him a great shot blocker but his top 10 blocks are probably more exciting than David Robinson, Mark Eaton, and Ewing's combined.

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kemp had to face, shaq, d-rob, hakeem, rodman, ewing, mourning, malone, mutumbo, larry johnson, barkley, and so on.
Shaq - are you kidding me? Shaq had a history of tearing up the Kemp sonics as Kemp usually struggled and check my Shaq vid and you will see a nice block where Shaq catches a Kemp hook. He didn't have to play most of the top centers often. They had players like Ervin Johnson and Perkins for that. Nothing stands out about his matchups with LJ but LJ wasn't much of a defender and he was busy becoming a 3pt specialist when Kemp was in his prime.

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Amare has a very nice jumpshot. It's become obvious to me that you have not watched him much.
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seattle played this thing called Defense
In the mid 90s they did but I would say that players like Payton, Mcmillian, Gill were the defenders on a defensive minded team while Kemp got a lot of credit b/c he had Sportscenter blocks. Too bad ESPN didn't care to show how many fouls he would rack up.


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why the crap did you capitalize WESTERN CONFERENCE? In Jordan's era, mid 90's it wasn't like the western conference was considered the better conference
I AGREE and how many of those was he voted on by the same fans that would vote Penny over Tim Hardaway

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One of my favorite plays of all time happened when Kemp took a rebound (I forget against what team), and went coast to coast, dribbling like a guard all around people, finishing with a hellacious slam in the lane. It was an awesome display of his all-around skills
That was nice and almost as nice were the countless times I've seen Amare run the floor and even make cross-overs before finishing with a dunk. What wasn't so smooth about Kemps ball handling and all-around skills were the weeks at a time where he would average 5 turnovers a game and he's even had streaks of 3 or 4 games where he would turn the ball over 7 times a game. I dropped him two years in a row in the mid 90s on my fantasy team b/c I had points deducted for fouls and tos and he was a leader in both.

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Kemp could easily have averaged closer to 30ppg, had he been called upon to do so. However the Seattle offense with Payton, Detlef Schrempf, Sam Perkins, and Hersey Hawkins - all established scorers - was a lot more diversified and didn't rely on him as much as Phoenix did Amare.
I don't think Kemp could of ever avg 30pts on a decent team and Perkins and Hawkins, even Schrempf, were way past thier prime during Kemp's prime and their offense was a let Payton create and whoever gets hot gets the most shots offense.

Last thing for the stat people about Kemp's scoring vs Amare. I always said that I would take Shaq's offensive game over Hakeem's "gracefull" offensive game anyday b/c of the points avg and the fg%. Who cares how pretty a shot is if you can't make it as often as another type of shot? For a couple of years, Kemp was able to hit in the mid 50s in % but I believe Amare can consistently do that while scoring 8 more points.

Last thing for the stat people about Amare's rebounding - he plays with Shawn Marion.
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Old 06-25-2006, 03:31 PM   #53
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That was nice and almost as nice were the countless times I've seen Amare run the floor and even make cross-overs before finishing with a dunk. What wasn't so smooth about Kemps ball handling and all-around skills were the weeks at a time where he would average 5 turnovers a game and he's even had streaks of 3 or 4 games where he would turn the ball over 7 times a game. I dropped him two years in a row in the mid 90s on my fantasy team b/c I had points deducted for fouls and tos and he was a leader in both.
You raise some interesting points, but I still believe that Kemps game was more diversified than Amare's. Perhaps, as you noted, Kemp's game - given the TOs - wasn't as effective as Amare's but the range of skills that Kemp displayed were still greater.

If Kemp were a more disciplined individual, the level he could have reached would have been higher than Amare's, IMO.
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Old 06-25-2006, 03:35 PM   #54
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Amare is a bigger freak them kemp ever was.........

YOu look at both of their physicality and you can see see their advantages......

Amare has a bigger,stronger body. A body Stromile swift, and KG could dream of.

Kemp was jus a tad faster then Amare,but amare is by far quicker then kemp was.

Amare has that hunger to want to be the best, i never saw that in KEMP. Kemp could have scored 26 but he didnt.

and I beg to differ, defensively Centers in the NBA are very solid, YEs they were ore dominant offenseively during kemps era,but defensively.

Kenyon Martin-Tyrone Hill same size,Martin a bigger athlete.
Brad Miller-Brad Daughterty same style players.

defensively they are about the same, with KG Duncan and Shaq still at the helm.
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I'd take Amare just because he's putting up bigger numbers then Kemp did.
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