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Old 08-14-2012, 10:13 AM   #46
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Philly is getting way over-rated. The Eastern Conference is Miami and a bunch of "also-rans". Philly is not markedly better than any of the rest of the pack.

Their projected rotation is not nearly as good as fans/media is implying it is.

Starters
Point Guard: Jrue Holiday
Shooting Guard: Evan Turner
Small Forward: Dorell Wright
Power Forward: Spencer Hawes
Center: Andrew Bynum

Bench
6th Man: Thaddeus Young
7th Man: Jason Richardson/Nick Young
8th Man: Kwame Brown/Lavoy Allen
Bench Scoring Specialist: Jason Richardson/Nick Young
Bench Big Man: Kwame Brown/Lavoy Allen/Arnett Moultrie
Third-String Forward: Lavoy Allen/Arnett Moultrie

I've got to agree. I've always thought Bynum was a little overrated. That said, even if Bynum is who people expect him to be, Philly lost a lot of players. They lost their best defender (Iggy), their best scorer (Lou Will) and their best low post player (Brand). Now Bynum obviously is an upgrade over Hawes and I like getting the Arnett Moultrie pick. I also think Lavoy Allen will break out as a sleeper player. That said, I think they lost a lot and it's being overlooked. Iggy was overpaid, but he did fit exactly what Doug Collins wants. Collins coaches tough defense. It'll be interesting to see if Bynum buys in. Andrew can be very lazy at times and disappear on the court.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:59 PM   #47
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I think nick young takes evan turner's spot.
I don't that. Even with people thinking Turner is a bust he's a better basketball player and more conducive to winning than Young.
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Old 08-15-2012, 05:58 AM   #48
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Philly is getting way over-rated. The Eastern Conference is Miami and a bunch of "also-rans". Philly is not markedly better than any of the rest of the pack.

Their projected rotation is not nearly as good as fans/media is implying it is.

Starters
Point Guard: Jrue Holiday
Shooting Guard: Evan Turner
Small Forward: Dorell Wright
Power Forward: Spencer Hawes
Center: Andrew Bynum

Bench
6th Man: Thaddeus Young
7th Man: Jason Richardson/Nick Young
8th Man: Kwame Brown/Lavoy Allen
Bench Scoring Specialist: Jason Richardson/Nick Young
Bench Big Man: Kwame Brown/Lavoy Allen/Arnett Moultrie
Third-String Forward: Lavoy Allen/Arnett Moultrie
that is a good team bro. dorell wright was amazing in warriors (1st year at least) if he can do the same, with jrue and bynum? Also evan turner is developing nicely. I dont like Hawes at 4 though
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I don't that. Even with people thinking Turner is a bust he's a better basketball player and more conducive to winning than Young.
Young is a better sixth man, you are right, he will be off the bench. turner will be starting for sure. they picked him #2 for a reason
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Philly has a legit coach they should be good he should use bynum well. Not like iggy was a star that they are replacing. Hawes has range he needs to stay healthy.
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that is a good team bro. dorell wright was amazing in warriors (1st year at least) if he can do the same, with jrue and bynum? Also evan turner is developing nicely. I dont like Hawes at 4 though
It's a good team, but the stuff being said about the team right now is crazy. People are implying that the Eastern Conference is now a battle between Philly and Miami. That is ridiculous.
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:21 PM   #52
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as long as melo is here, this team is going nowhere. The guy is a cancer. He made lin, fields, worse. And why is that? because hes a ball stopper and clogs the paint with his post up BS. Melo is a low IQ player. instead of focusing on playing like a guard, he instead played like a big man. Sorry but no team has yet won with an undersized big. Bird, johson, lebron won because they are big men who plays like guards. They face up and played off the ball. Thats why durant and lebron are battling in the finals while melo is a constant first rounder. Those guys are more effective scorers as evidenced by their FG%. They may have few moves but they have the more important and effective moves while melo is what you call quantity over quality. More moves but less effective. Or the style over substance.

Thats why melo is the easiest player to stop coz posting up is the least effective style. Just look at his games against the top defensive teams. He always disappear thats why he had a lot of bad games in the playoffs.

Sorry but only low IQ players focus on being a post up. Posting up is the least effective and its dependent on height and strength. Thats why only big men are effective on it. You dont see guards posting up because its not effective. Im sure if they can post, they would but not with big men. Im sure every big man wants to face up or play like dirk or durant but they cant coz its just too hard for them. Thats why I laugh at people who thinks melo is better than amare. LOL The end result just speaks for itself. Amare has been contending since his 3rd yr while melo is not a 1st option but a 2nd option during their only run to the WCF coz hes not a 25-30ppg scorer but a 22 ppg. Amare is a big man that plays like a guard while melo is an undersized big.
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Wanting Carmelo to play "more like a guard" than posting up shows that you don't understand the game of basketball. Clearly anyone with an understanding of the game and talent would want Carmelo playing around the basket as much as possible. And that doesn't mean playing him as an undersized 4 it means playing him around the basket against other 3's. The issue is floor spacing and the need for a pf or c who offensively plays the perimeter in a role you might think is exclusive to a sf or sg


Don't want Carmelo posting up- you are a fool
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as long as melo is here, this team is going nowhere. The guy is a cancer. He made lin, fields, worse. And why is that? because hes a ball stopper and clogs the paint with his post up BS. Melo is a low IQ player. instead of focusing on playing like a guard, he instead played like a big man. Sorry but no team has yet won with an undersized big. Bird, johson, lebron won because they are big men who plays like guards. They face up and played off the ball. Thats why durant and lebron are battling in the finals while melo is a constant first rounder. Those guys are more effective scorers as evidenced by their FG%. They may have few moves but they have the more important and effective moves while melo is what you call quantity over quality. More moves but less effective. Or the style over substance.

Thats why melo is the easiest player to stop coz posting up is the least effective style. Just look at his games against the top defensive teams. He always disappear thats why he had a lot of bad games in the playoffs.

Sorry but only low IQ players focus on being a post up. Posting up is the least effective and its dependent on height and strength. Thats why only big men are effective on it. You dont see guards posting up because its not effective. Im sure if they can post, they would but not with big men. Im sure every big man wants to face up or play like dirk or durant but they cant coz its just too hard for them. Thats why I laugh at people who thinks melo is better than amare. LOL The end result just speaks for itself. Amare has been contending since his 3rd yr while melo is not a 1st option but a 2nd option during their only run to the WCF coz hes not a 25-30ppg scorer but a 22 ppg. Amare is a big man that plays like a guard while melo is an undersized big.
Holy shit- read it again and it gets even dumber. You really should avoid posting on theory of the game. Posting up is very important and effective at any size- have you never really seen Jordan, Kobe, Paul pierce, magic, on and on and on......

How did you ever come up with those thoughts? Im sorry to hate on you but really feel bad for you
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as long as melo is here, this team is going nowhere. The guy is a cancer. He made lin, fields, worse. And why is that? because hes a ball stopper and clogs the paint with his post up BS. Melo is a low IQ player. instead of focusing on playing like a guard, he instead played like a big man. Sorry but no team has yet won with an undersized big. Bird, johson, lebron won because they are big men who plays like guards. They face up and played off the ball. Thats why durant and lebron are battling in the finals while melo is a constant first rounder. Those guys are more effective scorers as evidenced by their FG%. They may have few moves but they have the more important and effective moves while melo is what you call quantity over quality. More moves but less effective. Or the style over substance.

Thats why melo is the easiest player to stop coz posting up is the least effective style. Just look at his games against the top defensive teams. He always disappear thats why he had a lot of bad games in the playoffs.

Sorry but only low IQ players focus on being a post up. Posting up is the least effective and its dependent on height and strength. Thats why only big men are effective on it. You dont see guards posting up because its not effective. Im sure if they can post, they would but not with big men. Im sure every big man wants to face up or play like dirk or durant but they cant coz its just too hard for them. Thats why I laugh at people who thinks melo is better than amare. LOL The end result just speaks for itself. Amare has been contending since his 3rd yr while melo is not a 1st option but a 2nd option during their only run to the WCF coz hes not a 25-30ppg scorer but a 22 ppg. Amare is a big man that plays like a guard while melo is an undersized big.
His best games as a Knick came against best defensive teams. Two of them came in the playoffs.
42/17/6 on 47% shooting against the Celtics in game 2 of the 2011 NBA Playoffs
41/6/4 on 52% shooting against the Heat in game 4 of the 2012 NBA Playoffs
43/7/3 on 52% shooting against the Bulls (OT game when he hit 2 clutch threes)
42/9/5 on 52% shooting against the Heat in the regular season
37/8/3 on 59% shooting against the Celtics on Christmas
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Only the Knicks can land a superstar and turn him into a role player for other fans to bash
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I agree. Most people felt we had the best frontcourt in the game. Somehow, we found a way to make that a bad thing.
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Holy shit- read it again and it gets even dumber. You really should avoid posting on theory of the game. Posting up is very important and effective at any size- have you never really seen Jordan, Kobe, Paul pierce, magic, on and on and on......

How did you ever come up with those thoughts? Im sorry to hate on you but really feel bad for you

LMAO.. Then tell me what undersize big has won in this league? LOL None thats why melo has been a constant loser coz hes playing style sucks. Jordan, kobe, etc never depend on their post game while melo does. Its his first move while those winners only post up if theyre defended by small players. Those guys are great slashers and shooters. Sorry melo is the opposite of these guys. Bird, johson are big men who plays like guards while melo is a guard who plays like a big man. If you really understand basketball, you would realize that guards are more skilled than bigs to compensate for their lack of height and so every player should model their games on guards not big men. But go on if you think melo is doing the right way. Hes a dumbass. Reggie miller/ray allen are even more impactful players than him despite not being superstars. And you know why? Because they are the ideal sgs.
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His best games as a Knick came against best defensive teams. Two of them came in the playoffs.
42/17/6 on 47% shooting against the Celtics in game 2 of the 2011 NBA Playoffs
41/6/4 on 52% shooting against the Heat in game 4 of the 2012 NBA Playoffs
43/7/3 on 52% shooting against the Bulls (OT game when he hit 2 clutch threes)
42/9/5 on 52% shooting against the Heat in the regular season
37/8/3 on 59% shooting against the Celtics on Christmas

Just look at the other games against the heat and against the celtics LOL. One game is not enough if its a playoff series.
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