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Old 08-03-2012, 07:16 AM   #46
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Default Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes overrated?

Originally Posted by Timmy D for MVP
The critics are not supposed to be fans. It doesn't always work that way but that's the idea. So they hated Underworld because from a movie making standpoint it was pretty shit.

Same for Twilight. They were bad MOVIES. Now they can still be enjoyable if you dig whatever the movie presents but the movies themselves are not good.

See what I'm saying? In no way is it a bad thing, and you can view whichever side of it you'd like, but it makes more sense to me to view the critics. You can look at what they say like: "Oh shit Men in Black wasn't my favorite but I see what they mean by the sets and the chemistry."

You're less likely to be led astray.

I LOVE Mortal Kombat. But I know it's a terrible movie. But as a fan I'd rate it far higher. So it'd be wiser to view my critic review if you really want to get a sense of what you're getting into.

Originally Posted by Timmy D for MVP
No you're assuming that all critics are movie art house snobs. They are not. They don't look at every movie thinking: "where will this fall on my Oscar list?" I would bet hard money that any real critic was not walking into Scott Pilgrim wondering if this would be Oscar worthy.

But they recognize a shit movie when they see one. It's a tired argument as I said before because there are plenty of "stupid movies" that both fans and critics alike agreed upon as good.

In fact what does that say about the fan base you speak of if they feel like a little effort project is what it's base wants.

Lemme put it this way. Do you think Underworld could be improved? Maybe greatly so? How could that happen? Where did it go wrong?

That is what the critics look at.

pheeww, its nice to see someone has a grip on things.

Originally Posted by Jackass18
The critics didn't give it a 90%. That just means that 90% of the critics reviewing it gave it a positive review. There where 72 overall reviews. 65 gave it a positive review while only 7 gave it a negative review, and what is 65 divided by 72?

exactly, this is why often even really great films that are controversial or off beat can get a much lower rating then solid films that didn't offend/too abstract for many tastes.

Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-
just about every movie ever made could be improved upon...

look, all I was trying to point out is that the audience score more reflects the people looking forward to whatever the subject matter of the movie is, where as the critic score reflects someone's opinion that doesn't necessarily give a rat's ass about the subject of the movie, that's all...

it makes PERFECT sense that the audience would rate Twilight high and the critics would rank it low...the audience is teen girls (their target demographic) and the critics are not...THUS a teen girl going to see Twilight should ignore the critic score, their opinion doesn't represent hers very well.

no it isn't the job of a critic to assign different criticism for each audience, just simply to state if the film was any good or not. critics are far more intune with what comprises a quality piece of film making or not. they understand film language and how it communicates and they are suppose to write without bias, i.e not from a perspective of a certain fan base or audience expectation. just because a film is badly made doesn't mean people won't like it, a lot of people enjoy films because of content and subject matter but these say nothing of wether the film is well made or not. no one can imagine the thoughts and preferences of every human being on earth. the best that can be done is to critique each film based on the quality of its technical execution and communication of ideas/narratives.

Originally Posted by nathanjizzle
rotten tomatoes suck, ive watched 3 movies that were highly rated on there site and was very shit and boring, i even thought perhaps that if the tomatoe meter was high the shittier the movie would be which would explain why the movies were shit.

tell us which films, maybe we can then discuss the problem
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:53 PM   #47
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Default Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes overrated?

Originally Posted by Duderonomy
It's kinda ridiculous how it's the end all be all for if a movie is good or not, when it's really just kids who spent 7 hours a day on the web. Of course everyone is a movie expert now. Do I really need to read 20 reviews before I see if I should watch Nick of Time ?

I'll say below 60% is a fail....

There are some movies that I enjoy at some level that fail according to the meter. It's sort of a use it for entertainment purposes sort of thing. Just don't take it extremely seriously.
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:03 PM   #48
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Default Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes overrated?

Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-
I like RT...I have found that the audience ratings are more in line with how I feel...but those are generally in the same area as the critics.

there are exceptions though...

Underworld Awakening
Critics: 27%
Audience: 62%

this is a type of movie that is suppose to be just raw action and stupid fun and would be impossible to get a monster score from critics, it isn't an Oscar type movie, but it doesn't try to be...

but the audience went into the movie understanding that it isn't trying to be a masterpiece, and it hit their it scored high with them, and they are the only ones that really matter.

The audience seems to lack respect for gritty genre pieces.


Look at the audience meter for 48 Hrs.

And look at the meter for tired and repetitive Rush Hour 3:

That's why I say the audience can go **** themselves.
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