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Old 08-03-2012, 06:25 PM   #16
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Who's a better proven fighter than BL? Who's a better proven bball player than Jordan?

If you ask the majority of the world population who's the best at each respective skill, who do you think gets the most votes?



Maybe "on paper" (if you want to talk purely stats, etc... I was thinking more along the lines of commonly accepted perception) wasn't the best term to use... but you get my point.
That is just the thing... Michael Jordan IS a proven basketball player. He's proven it against the best in the world.

Bruce Lee is NOT a proven fighter. He hasn't proven it ever. Nobody has ever seen him fight apart from a few "witnesses", who are his close friends and family.

Bruce Lee is not proven at all. Not even on paper.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:26 PM   #17
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bruce lee can beat 2 mountain lions

I heard he made the legendary sasquatch of the Himalayas scream uncle during a match, while blindfolded and tripping off LSD. That's pretty damn impressive.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:27 PM   #18
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That is just the thing... Michael Jordan IS a proven basketball player. He's proven it against the best in the world.

Bruce Lee is NOT a proven fighter. He hasn't proven it ever. Nobody has ever seen him fight apart from a few "witnesses", who are his close friends and family.

Bruce Lee is not proven at all. Not even on paper.

Fair enough. Do you think Bruce Lee's legend was just some elaborate lie?
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:32 PM   #19
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Fair enough. Do you think Bruce Lee's legend was just some elaborate lie?
I don't know. I don't know if the stories are true, or if they were a lie.

But even if the stories WERE true... it proves nothing. It would be like me saying I beat Jimmy Phillips in basketball today at the local playground. In fact, I crushed him. Your next question would be who the hell is Jimmy Phillips?

That is what Bruce Lee's fight history is like. It is just stories about him winning fights against unknown people.

So even IF the stories were true, I don't see how it proves anything about him being a great fighter when there were famous martial artists back then who ACTUALLY FOUGHT. Not just fought... but fought other famous martial artists.


I have no idea how the Bruce Lee legend was started.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:38 PM   #20
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Chuck Norris was the best fighter of that generation. He was the guy winning world titles in his own weight class AND beating the guys who won the heavyweight class.

Bruce Lee would be sitting in the crowd watching Norris fight but Lee wasn't in the ring proving himself.

Norris >> Lee
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:39 PM   #21
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Chuck Norris was the best fighter of that generation. He was the guy winning world titles in his own weight class AND beating the guys who won the heavyweight class.

Bruce Lee would be sitting in the crowd watching Norris fight but Lee wasn't in the ring proving himself.

Norris >> Lee
Norris certainly has proven himself more than Lee has.

But even still, Norris competed in non-contact Karate... not exactly a "fight".

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Old 08-03-2012, 06:40 PM   #22
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Fair enough. Do you think Bruce Lee's legend was just some elaborate lie?
Wouldn't be surprised. The guy was a huge cult media icon. Witty rumors and myths were inevitable to rise. Much like Wilt Chamberlain myths. But people can get really creative with it, I can tell you that much.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:49 PM   #23
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Wouldn't be surprised. The guy was a huge cult media icon. Witty rumors and myths were inevitable to rise. Much like Wilt Chamberlain myths. But people can get really creative with it, I can tell you that much.

I could see how the East would "fall in love" with BL's story, legend. etc (but the West did, too)... but to think it was some marketing, self-driven deception to the West in addition, I can't say for sure.

BL wasn't a boxer... which was the supreme fighting arena around "his time" (in the West anyway).

There's just no way to know... but I think there's SOME truth to his legacy.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:55 PM   #24
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1. Charlie Z
2. Ghengis Khan
3. Bruce Lee
4. Carmello Anthony
5. Mike Tyson

FACT.
Godzuki should be up there on the list. He beats up 5-6 message board members at the same time. He's undefeated on ISH.

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Old 08-03-2012, 06:56 PM   #25
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the actual greatest fighter of all time...
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:57 PM   #26
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Realistically, Bruce Lee was an extremely talented fighter, who likes in those tales could take on 10 dudes at once. BUT. Fighting regular people is easy as an elite fighter. Today, fighting has advanced leaps and bounds, a top MMA fighter could probably take out Bruce Lee. Though in a street fight Bruce Lee was probably ruthless, ripping out peoples' eyeballs and shit.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:58 PM   #27
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I could see how the East would "fall in love" with BL's story, legend. etc (but the West did, too)... but to think it was some marketing, self-driven deception to the West in addition, I can't say for sure.

BL wasn't a boxer... which was the supreme fighting arena around "his time" (in the West anyway).

There's just no way to know... but I think there's SOME truth to his legacy.
So? Boxing was mainstream, but martial artists competed in martial arts tournaments.

Some even competed in "MMA" type matches. Like when "Judo" Gene Labell fought boxer Milo Savage in 1963.

Here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mER2BmNRA

There were full-contact "Vale Tudo" (anything goes) fights in Brazil all through the 20th century.

Or about Gracie vs. Kimura? Gracie was a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter and Kimura was a Japanese Jiu Jitsu / Judo fighter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPL2BFepgU


As a martial artist, Bruce Lee could have fought in many different types of martial arts matches from no-contact to full-contact to anything goes.

He COULD have. But he didn't.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:00 PM   #28
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Realistically, Bruce Lee was an extremely talented fighter, who likes in those tales could take on 10 dudes at once. BUT. Fighting regular people is easy as an elite fighter. Today, fighting has advanced leaps and bounds, a top MMA fighter could probably take out Bruce Lee. Though in a street fight Bruce Lee was probably ruthless, ripping out peoples' eyeballs and shit.
Even trained fighters can't take 10 guys at once.

And what makes you think he would "rip out people's eyeballs"? From the stories we know about his fights on the street, he has never done such a thing.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:12 PM   #29
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If you ask the majority of the world population who's the best at each respective skill, who do you think gets the most votes?

Who cares? That would be basically finding out who the most well known fighter is.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:19 PM   #30
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Some even competed in "MMA" type matches. Like when "Judo" Gene Labell fought boxer Milo Savage in 1963.

Here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mER2BmNRA

Wasn't Gene Labell the guy who choked out Steven Seagal and made him shit himself while passed out?

And I don't think I've ever heard anyone call Bruce Lee the greatest fighter ever. Guy was an actor. That's like saying Christian Bale is the greatest crime fighter ever, makes no sense.
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