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Old 08-04-2012, 12:50 AM   #1
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Default Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

The consensus Top 10 in ISH in no order is usually:

Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Shaquille Oneal
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Hakeem Olajuwon

So, let us discuss our Top 11-20 lists. Here are some of the criteria we should consider.

-Peak Play
-Longetivity
-Over all Impact (Including making team mates better)
-Dominance (Including NBA Accolades)
-Playoffs Success (Not necessarily a Ring)

Here is my List:

11. Oscar Robertson: Still the only player in history to average a triple-double in a season, he averaged 26.5 PPG, 9.5 APG and 7.5 RPG. He won 1 MVP and was a 12x All-Star.

12. Jerry West: He won 1 Championship but made the NBA Finals ten times. He made 13 All-Stars games and averaged 27 PPG, 6.7 APG.

13. Lebron James: He won 1x NBA Championship, 3x MVP and an 8x All-Star.

14. Moses Malone: In 20 years he won 3 MVPs, 11 All-Stars and a NBA championship. He averaged 20.6 PPG and 12.2 RPG.

15. Bob Cousy: He was a 6x NBA Champion, 13-time All-Star and 1x MVP.

16. John Havlicek:
He was a 8x NBA Champion, 13x All-Star and made 26k+ career points.

17. Isiah Thomas:
He was a 2x NBA Champion, 12x All-Star and averaged 19.2 PPG and 9.3 assists for his career.

18. Julius Erving:
He won 1 NBA Championship, 1 MVP and was an 11x All-Star while averaging 22 PPG during his career.

19. David Robinson:
He won 2x NBA Championships, 1xMVP, 10x All-stars and 1x DPOY.

20. Kevin Garnett: 1x NBA Champion, 1x MVP, 14x All-Star, 1x DPOY and he led the NBA in rebounds for 4 seasons. He also made it to 12 All NBA defensive Teams.
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:52 AM   #2
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Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

No order:

LeBron James
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Karl Malone
George Mikan
Dirk Nowtizki
Julius Erving

Including what they did in their era. I only feel a bit uncomfortable with my Mikan ranking, but I feel he did a lot too for his era and changed the game.
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:57 AM   #3
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did this quickly, let me know if there are any glaring omissions

11 Robertson
12 West
13 LeBron
14 Moses
15 Erving
16 Isiah
17 Havlicek
18 Garnett
19 Wade
20 Dirk
21 Baylor
22 Pippen
23 Robinson
24 Rodman
25 Barkley
26 Drexler
27 Pettit
28 Karl Malone
29 Cousy
30 Stockton

(before you ask about Mikan not being on this list at all and Cousy's low placement, I don't count the pre-shot clock NBA in GOAT lists)

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Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

Just saying that Wade is not there yet, but he is in the Top 25 guaranteed. Another Finals MVP and he jumps in the Top 20 definitely.
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Just saying that Wade is not there yet, but he is in the Top 25 guaranteed. Another Finals MVP and he jumps in the Top 20 definitely.

another FMVP and he's top 15
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11. LeBron James
12. Julius Erving
13. Jerry West
14. Oscar Robertson
15. Moses Malone
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Karl Malone
18. Dirk Nowitzki
19. David Robinson
20. Charles Barkley

I'm stuck in the last three with Dirk, Robinson, and Barkley. I think Robinson is above Barkley but I'm not sure about Dirk and Barkley. I think I might move Robinson above Dirk.
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another FMVP and he's top 15

Especially if he puts up another 25/5/5 season. Dude is going to jump to that 3rd best shooting guard spot.
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Especially if he puts up another 25/5/5 season. Dude is going to jump to that 3rd best shooting guard spot.

he could be there already...it depends on if you classify West as a PG or SG

typically he's placed at the 2, but enough people have him at the point that we can put him in the discussion now

two more Finals MVPs, and, well...not gonna get into that because you know in which direction this thread would head
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I would say the next 5 players, to round up the Top 25 would be (no order):

David Robinson
John Havlicek
Elgin Baylor
Dwyane Wade
Bob Pettit (Actually, re thinking about it... I would replace Mikan with Pettit)

@fplii

Why Pippen over Robinson and Barkley ? I think Zeke's too high, as well.

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Dude is going to jump to that 3rd best shooting guard spot.

Hmm, I don't see it... but more power to them if Wade can keep it up for a couple of years.
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I would say the next 5 players, to round up the Top 25 would be (no order):

David Robinson
John Havlicek
Elgin Baylor
Dwyane Wade
Bob Pettit (Actually, re thinking about it... I would replace Mikan with Pettit)

@fplii

Why Pippen over Robinson and Barkley ? I think Zeke's too high, as well.

haven't put much thought into it...11-15, 16-20, 21-30 are the three tiers of this list, ordering within them is relatively arbitrary

EDIT: I think Pippen, Admiral, Barkley are all close to each other, though; as for Zeke, he established himself as a super-elite passing PG, as well as a great first option on a championship team...if he doesn't go down in 88, even with Worthy going nuts, he has another Finals MVP and the Bad Boys have a threepeat

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haven't put much thought into it...11-15, 16-20, 21-30 are the three tiers of this list, ordering within them is relatively arbitrary

Fair enough.
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Fair enough.

edited my post with Isiah reasoning...in general, I have him multiple echelons above Stockton, to whom he's often compared
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did this quickly, let me know if there are any glaring omissions

11 Robertson
12 West
13 LeBron
14 Moses
15 Erving
16 Isiah
17 Havlicek
18 Garnett
19 Wade
20 Dirk
21 Baylor
22 Pippen
23 Robinson
24 Rodman
25 Barkley
26 Drexler
27 Pettit
28 Karl Malone
29 Cousy
30 Stockton

(before you ask about Mikan not being on this list at all and Cousy's low placement, I don't count the pre-shot clock NBA in GOAT lists)


Just curious, but wanted to know your thoughts on Wade over Dirk. Did the 2nd title give him the edge?
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I would say the next 5 players, to round up the Top 25 would be (no order):

David Robinson
John Havlicek
Elgin Baylor
Dwyane Wade
Bob Pettit (Actually, re thinking about it... I would replace Mikan with Pettit)

@fplii

Why Pippen over Robinson and Barkley ? I think Zeke's too high, as well.



Hmm, I don't see it... but more power to them if Wade can keep it up for a couple of years.


I think Wade is a lock to go down as the 3rd best SG ever. 2 rings and counting, one of the greatest Finals performances, best shot-blocking SG ever, etc. The only thing really hurting him is no MVP award, but I don't think that stops him from going down as the 3rd best.
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Just curious, but wanted to know your thoughts on Wade over Dirk. Did the 2nd title give him the edge?

it didn't make much of a difference, he was already there after last season; Dirk's never had a season like 08-09, and (despite the biased ref claims, which I'm not going to deal with here) Wade had an amazing postseason in 06

Wade's also come close twice...if he doesn't go down in 05 he'd have another ship (Shaq probably wins the Finals MVP that season, I actually think he would've won MVP if he was healthy or if the voting shook out differently, which would've jumped him ahead of Bird AND Kobe); last season LeBron's poor Finals robbed him of a second Finals MVP (he outscored and outshot Dirk for the series, and even though he didn't equal Nowitzki in 4th quarters, he was still HUGE)

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I think Wade is a lock to go down as the 3rd best SG ever. 2 rings and counting, one of the greatest Finals performances, best shot-blocking SG ever, etc. The only thing really hurting him is no MVP award, but I don't think that stops him from going down as the 3rd best.

he wins it in 08-09 if LeBron doesn't have an all-time great season...Wade wins the MVP 90% of other seasons

do you count West as a PG or SG? if he's the former, then as I said above, Wade is already 3rd
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