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Old 08-04-2012, 01:22 AM   #16
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(before you ask about Mikan not being on this list at all and Cousy's low placement, I don't count the pre-shot clock NBA in GOAT lists)

I understand how you feel about that but this is an All-Time List and we cant fault players for playing in a particular era.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:23 AM   #17
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edited my post with Isiah reasoning...in general, I have him multiple echelons above Stockton, to whom he's often compared

True. I've always thought Zeke > Stockton anyways.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:25 AM   #18
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I understand how you feel about that but this is an All-Time List and we cant fault players for playing in a particular era.

that wasn't a different era, it was a different game entirely

I'm fine agreeing to disagree, but from my understanding the shot clock is a large reason why Mikan retired (though I believe wear-and-tear also played a part)...if he was born 10 years later, I have no reason to believe he'd be any more than a fringe top 10 player in the 60s NBA
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:32 AM   #19
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it didn't make much of a difference, he was already there after last season; Dirk's never had a season like 08-09, and (despite the biased ref claims, which I'm not going to deal with here) Wade had an amazing postseason in 06

Wade's also come close twice...if he doesn't go down in 05 he'd have another ship (Shaq probably wins the Finals MVP that season, I actually think he would've won MVP if he was healthy or if the voting shook out differently, which would've jumped him ahead of Bird AND Kobe); last season LeBron's poor Finals robbed him of a second Finals MVP (he outscored and outshot Dirk for the series, and even though he didn't equal Nowitzki in 4th quarters, he was still HUGE)



he wins it in 08-09 if LeBron doesn't have an all-time great season...Wade wins the MVP 90% of other seasons

do you count West as a PG or SG? if he's the former, then as I said above, Wade is already 3rd


Agreed with you on all points. People sleep on Wade too much. Loved seeing him dominate the #1 defense Pistons in 06 ECF.
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Agreed with you on all points. People sleep on Wade too much. Loved seeing him dominate the #1 defense Pistons in 06 ECF.

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Agreed with you on all points. People sleep on Wade too much. Loved seeing him dominate the #1 defense Pistons in 06 ECF.
They were 5th on d that season, they werne't much of a defense team when saunders took over for brown
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They were 5th on d that season, they werne't much of a defense team when saunders took over for brown


Fail on my part. Still loved seeing him do damage though. I was a big Pistons hater. Liked Big Ben, but couldn't stand that team.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:01 AM   #23
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Wade is not top 25
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:04 AM   #24
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Dirk Nowitzki is way the **** overrated if he's cracking Top 20 list, SMH.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:10 AM   #25
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Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

11 Oscar
12 West
13 Moses
14 Dr. J
15 Sir Charles
16 Karl Malone
17 Garnett
18 Robinson
19 Pippen
20 Dirk
21 Zeke
22 Drexler
23 Stockton
24 Wade
25 Chris Bosh

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Old 08-04-2012, 02:50 AM   #26
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Dirk Nowitzki is way the **** overrated if he's cracking Top 20 list, SMH.

He is easily top 20.
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:04 AM   #27
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Can someone explain me why is Dirk so high??? And why is he higher than Wade on almost everybody's list???
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:07 AM   #28
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Can someone explain me why is Dirk so high??? And why is he higher than Wade on almost everybody's list???
Wade at his absolute peak was better than Dirk at his absolute peak but Dirk's peak lasted longer. Dirk has just simply put up more dominant seasons than Wade has so far in their careers.
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:18 AM   #29
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Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

I put them in tiers, no particular order in one tier.

11-14
11.Moses Malone
12.LeBron James
13.Jerry West
14.George Mikan

15-25
15.Julius Erving
16.Oscar Robertson
17.Karl Malone
18.Bob Pettit
19.Isiah Thomas
20.Bob Cousy
21.Charles Barkley
22.Dirk Nowitzki
23.Kevin Garnett
24.John Havlicek
25.Elgin Baylor
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:21 AM   #30
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I put them in tiers, no particular order in one tier.

11-14
11.Moses Malone
12.LeBron James
13.Jerry West
14.George Mikan

15-25
15.Julius Erving
16.Oscar Robertson
17.Karl Malone
18.Bob Pettit
19.Isiah Thomas
20.Bob Cousy
21.Charles Barkley
22.Dirk Nowitzki
23.Kevin Garnett
24.John Havlicek
25.Elgin Baylor


I agree with your posts. I think Wade is a top 30 players of all time. It sucks that he missed a lot of games in his NBA Career.
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