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Old 08-07-2012, 03:11 PM   #31
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Default Re: Lets Be Real: Dirk Was More Successful as a Lead Dog Than KG

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I already knew you were retarded, but this just sealed it.

be sure to call me names more instead of dispute what im saying. you know im right

dirk is softer then charmin. cant say the same about kg
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:16 PM   #32
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you need an offensive and defensive leader to win a ring

08 Boston - Pierce/KG
11 Dallas - Dirk/Chandler

Garnett was robbed of Finals MVP in 08 (Allen also had a better case than Pierce), but wouldn't have won if you replaced Dirk with him in 11 (no guarantee Boston wins with Dirk in 08 either)
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:34 PM   #33
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you need an offensive and defensive leader to win a ring

08 Boston - Pierce/KG
11 Dallas - Dirk/Chandler

Garnett was robbed of Finals MVP in 08 (Allen also had a better case than Pierce), but wouldn't have won if you replaced Dirk with him in 11 (no guarantee Boston wins with Dirk in 08 either)

Not really. Perkins and Rondo when on the floor made a bigger impact defensively than Pierce even as far back as the 08 season. A lot of people have been overrating Paul Pierce defensively since the big three had formed.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:41 PM   #34
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Default Re: Lets Be Real: Dirk Was More Successful as a Lead Dog Than KG

Dirk took a team that had DeSagana Diop & Adrian Griffin starting to the NBA Finals.

Im not knocking KG, Im just saying Dirk shouldnt be knocked either.

Both were/are amazing and are guys that took each other to the MAX in their only playoff encounter; KG 24/19 per game, Dirk 33/15 per game.

It was an epic battle. Wish they had matched up more in the playoffs, it was a thing of beauty.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:42 PM   #35
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Not really. Perkins and Rondo when on the floor made a bigger impact defensively than Pierce even as far back as the 08 season. A lot of people have been overrating Paul Pierce defensively since the big three had formed.


They're saying Pierce was the offensive Leader and KG was the defense.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:45 PM   #36
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They're saying Pierce was the offensive Leader and KG was the defense.

yup
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:52 PM   #37
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Default Re: Lets Be Real: Dirk Was More Successful as a Lead Dog Than KG

You're either a complete idiot, or weren't watching basketball in 2008 if you believe KG didn't lead the Celtics to that title. He was by far their best offensive, and defensive player.

It's not even close. Pierce and Ray were a distant 2nd and 3rd on that team. KG led that team in scoring in the Playoffs, and was the most complete offensive player on the team by FAR. And it wasn't even close on defense, he was in another stratosphere then everyone else.

Even if you take away the fact that KG led them in scoring in the Playoffs and was their best offensive player, he still would have led them to the title with his defense alone. That Celtics team didn't win the championship because they were an offensive juggernaut, they won because they were an all time great defensive team, and who anchored that defense? I rest my case.

Saying KG didn't lead the Celtics to the 2008 title is like saying Russell didn't lead the 60's Celtics to titles.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:02 PM   #38
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Dirk is a true #1 option.. a KG lead team will never win a ring. You only pick KG over Dirk if he's the 2nd option.
KG was the best player when the Celtics won the ring.
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yup

Oh Okay, well on that basis Pierce had no business winning the FMVP. Ray Allen had a much better offensive series in the 08 finals. I would probably have just given it to KG, but they went the offensive route and gave it to the guy who scored slightly more on a much shittier efficiency. Either Ray or KG should have been FMVP, not Pierce.

As far as the the topic goes, it was definitely KG who led the Celtics to a championship. He was by far the best player on the team. Dirk was more successful as a lead dog than KG...yeah and Dirk had better teams and didn't have a GM (Mchale) who screwed his own team. If you are going to build a team though, it is going to be much easier to build around KG than it is Dirk as KG is the complete package and Dirk is just a one way player.

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Oh Okay, well on that basis Pierce had no business winning the FMVP. Ray Allen had a much better offensive series in the 08 finals. I would probably have just given it to KG, but they went the offensive route and gave it to the guy who scored slightly more on a much shittier efficiency. Either Ray or KG should have been FMVP, not Pierce.

As far as the the topic goes, it was definitely KG who led the Celtics to a championship. He was by far the best player on the team. Dirk was more successful as a lead dog than KG...yeah and Dirk had better teams and didn't have a GM (Mchale) who screwed his own team. If you are going to build a team though, it is going to be much easier to build around KG than it is Dirk as KG is the complete package and Dirk is just a one way player.
Can you even imagine how many rings Minny would of won if we had kept Ray Allen? A prime KG and prime Allen together = GG league.
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Default Re: Lets Be Real: Dirk Was More Successful as a Lead Dog Than KG

Considering OP is a Dirk's fanatic and hates KG, it automatically invalidates his opinion.

Oh, and in case anyone missed, KG already won the ring as a "lead dog", post-prime. Dirk doesnt have more rings either, while having much better teams through most of his career.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:54 PM   #42
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Default Re: Lets Be Real: Dirk Was More Successful as a Lead Dog Than KG

It is because Garnett didn't have as good of teams as Dirk did when he was the lead dog.

When Garnett had a good team such as 2004 and 2008, he made it to the WCF and won the title. The only reason why they only made it to the WCF in 2004 is because Sam Cassell and Troy Hudson, the starting PG and the backup PG of the team were both injured in the WCF. Garnett had to play PG himself in that series. If those two were healthy in that series, Twolves could have very well reached the Finals and maybe even win it and we would be talking about two championships for KG here.

It is too bad that injuries ultimately held KG back from winning more than one title. It held him back in 2004 and it held him back after 2008 when he got injured himself and was never the same.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:56 PM   #43
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Most people ignore the fact that Minny's FO was not much better than the current Knicks' FO. Not to mention the Joe Smith fiasco. The one time KG had even decent help, Minny was two wins from making the Finals and having home court in it. Cassell getting hurt cost the T-Wolves a Finals appearance and possibly a title.

And KG never lost in the first round with a 67 win team.
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Most people ignore the fact that Minny's FO was not much better than the current Knicks' FO. Not to mention the Joe Smith fiasco. The one time KG had even decent help, Minny was two wins from making the Finals and having home court in it. Cassell getting hurt cost the T-Wolves a Finals appearance and possibly a title.

And KG never lost in the first round with a 67 win team.

KG never had a 67 win team, stupid argument
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KG never had a 67 win team, stupid argument


He had a 66 win team in Boston.
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