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Old 08-09-2012, 06:44 PM   #301
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What doe the lakers cap space look like if this went down ?

doesnt change a thing when you have kobe making 30m a year
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:44 PM   #302
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Not comparable because there is no guarantee Dwight makes the Lakers a lock for anything either. Dwight/Bynum are closer than people think so the notion that getting Dwight makes the Lakers a lock for the title is wrong.

No team will have a title on lock as long as the league is as competitive as it is.

And when discussing this remember that Dwight/Bynum are closer than people think is YOUR opinion and not a fact.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:45 PM   #303
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Howard is easily top 5. I'd say top 3, but that isn't the general consensus. His defense and more completely offensive game is what makes him so much better than Howard.

Simply put, if Howard was on the Lakers team last year, OKC wouldn't have been much trouble. Definitely not a 5 game runover.

And it'll always be like that as long as Lakers are in contention. A passionate and bi-polar community.

People accuse me of the same thing when it comes to the Clippers . I completely know why and understand it... I guess just once in a while I get a tad bit annoyed (just like you guys do with me regularly for doing this).
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:45 PM   #304
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People accuse me of the same thing when it comes to the Clippers . I completely know why and understand it... I guess just once in a while I get a tad bit annoyed (just like you guys do with me regularly for doing this).
I wouldn't say you're bi-polar. Passionate for sure though.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:48 PM   #305
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Glad there are Lakers fans left with a realistic POV. Most Lakers fans expect to win the trade/deal every single time. Sure that's the goal for everybody but sometimes you have to give up a little more than you would think.

Well if there is a fan base that has been spoiled it's us!

But I would take this gamble because I rather have Howard then Bynum.
If it doesn't happen I will still be excited to see what Nash can do with these guys on pick and rolls. But it is a no brainier to do what you can to get Howard.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:50 PM   #306
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Answer the question. How many Lakers fans do you hear ripping Gasol to shreds on a regular basis and saying they want him traded? I hear it constantly.

On iPhone.... U r confusing fcuking Kobe fans like konex. & others with lakers fans... 2 totally different community
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:55 PM   #307
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No team will have a title on lock as long as the league is as competitive as it is.

And when discussing this remember that Dwight/Bynum are closer than people think is YOUR opinion and not a fact.

Let me lay down some facts then.

Andrew Bynum: 19 ppg, 12 rpg, 1.5 apg, 2 bpg. 56 percent shooting from field, 70 percent from the line. Far more expansive offensive game. 35 minutes per game.

Dwight Howard: 20.5 ppg, 14.5 rpg, 2 apg, 2 bpg. 57.3 percent shooting from the field, 50 percent from the line. 38.3 minutes per game.


When you do PER 36 and account for Dwight playing 3+ more minutes a game it gets even closer.


Then you want to measure defense? We can all agree Dwight is better defensively but the gap is greatly exaggerated.

Synergy Sports shows Howard allows .75 ppp, Bynum only .77. The better info is when you look at the actual chart and see that they both defend pretty equally in all scenarios and Bynum is actually the BETTER PNR defender at least according to the numbers despite Lakers fans trying to say Dwight would be a huge upgrade there. Bynum allows .8 ppp on PNR where as Dwight allows .84 ppp.


You want to look at win shares metrics? It shows Bynum is the more impactful offensive player, Dwight the more impactful defender which I've said before on many occasions. Bynum's offensive rating is 6 higher, Dwight's defensive rating is 4 better.


Reality is it's not just my opinion that they are close and when Lakers fans were watching Bynum dominate they were even saying it. Now that they feel Dwight may be coming the tune changes.

I'd fu**ing kill to have Bynum on the Clippers and would take him over Dwight because he's got so much more room to grow and is so much more gifted where as Dwight is just a freak athlete mostly. Bynum's post game has made my jaw drop on many occasions and his defense and rebounding is in that elite range now.
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On iPhone.... U r confusing fcuking Kobe fans like konex. & others with lakers fans... 2 totally different community

nah pretty much every laker fan hates gasol. With good reason too.
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nah pretty much every laker fan hates gasol. With good reason too.
Only the stupid ones
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Clips fan.


Playoffs:

Howard- 27 pts, 16 reb, 63%
Bynum- 17 pts, 11 reb, 48%


Pressure separates the men from the boys.
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BTW sorry for generalizing. I know there are a ton of fantastic Lakers fans. I just get annoyed with the Kobe stans and shitty fans who are clueless.
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Let me lay down some facts then.
No facts here children. Move along. Just advanced statistics that hold no merit to a legitimate argument.
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nah pretty much every laker fan hates gasol. With good reason too.

I love Gasol.

He's just not being used correctly by Mike Brown.
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Clips fan.


Playoffs:

Howard- 27 pts, 16 reb, 63%
Bynum- 17 pts, 11 reb, 48%


Pressure separates the men from the boys.

Different situation though. Howard is undisputed option 1. Bynum is option number 3 and Dwight didn't have to deal with defenders like McGee, Ibaka, Perkins etc in the playoffs this year.
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No facts here children. Move along. Just advanced statistics that hold no merit to a legitimate argument.

Why aren't the valid?
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