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Old 08-15-2012, 11:00 PM   #61
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Well they wouldn't need any since there victims would be defenseless.

But what makes guns special? The government has failed in all the other instances it has tried to keep from getting things.

Lets be realistic now you think someone who wants to shoot up a school is just going to change there mind because they have to leave their house to get a gun?
they only thought about shooting up the school in the first place because they had the guns.. those columbine guys and this past movie theater guy both had legally obtained guns that they took to shooting ranges and used. If some of those high school kids' parents didnt have rifles around? They wouldnt have been practicing with anything and that exact thought never wpouldve popped into their head. Maybe they wouldve done some other violent act to others or themselves but it wouldnt have been with the same possible damage.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:16 PM   #62
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they only thought about shooting up the school in the first place because they had the guns.. those columbine guys and this past movie theater guy both had legally obtained guns that they took to shooting ranges and used. If some of those high school kids' parents didnt have rifles around? They wouldnt have been practicing with anything and that exact thought never wpouldve popped into their head. Maybe they wouldve done some other violent act to others or themselves but it wouldnt have been with the same possible damage.
So you're saying if there parents didn't have guns they wouldn't have been violent? The guns made them violent lol? Do you feel an urge to stab someone every time you hold a kitchen knife?

So how do you propose to keep guns away from people? The government has never succeed in keeping anything else away from people what will be the difference this time?
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:33 PM   #63
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So you're saying:

less guns = more gun violence
more guns = less gun violence

Yeah, that checks out.
So you're saying:

Government makes something illegal, there will be less of it.

Yeah that checks out.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:39 PM   #64
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So you're saying if there parents didn't have guns they wouldn't have been violent? The guns made them violent lol? Do you feel an urge to stab someone every time you hold a kitchen knife?
I said in my post that they would be violent still but in a different way. They wouldnt have created a plot to shoot up a school if they never had gunsin the first place. Homemade bombs which failed anyway and maybesome other shit? Sure.. wouldnt have done 1/10 of the damage rifles did.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:45 PM   #65
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I said in my post that they would be violent still but in a different way. They wouldnt have created a plot to shoot up a school if they never had gunsin the first place. Homemade bombs which failed anyway and maybesome other shit? Sure.. wouldnt have done 1/10 of the damage rifles did.
I think you're vastly underestimating the power of explosives, or say some thing like 911

How do you propose to keep them from ever getting a gun in the first place?
Decades and trillions of dollars have been spent trying to keep cocaine from south/central America out of the US it still get's there. You don't need to spend months growing fields of guns.

All outlawing guns does is ensure people who follow laws can't shoot back
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:52 PM   #66
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I think you're vastly underestimating the power of explosives, or say some thing like 911

How do you propose to keep them from ever getting a gun in the first place?
Decades and trillions of dollars have been spent trying to keep cocaine from south/central America out of the US it still get's there. You don't need to spend months growing fields of guns.

All outlawing guns does is ensure people who follow laws can't shoot back
Explosives are very bad.. but all their shit failed. And you cant stop them from making shit like that with homemade materials.

Guns? 15-16 year old pimply faced kids who get tossed in lockers arent visiting inner city denver and buying illegal semiautos from Pablo. They arent making rifles on their own. Theyre not getting them in H.S. if their parents dont have them vand they wouldnt have plotted it that way if they didnt have the opportunity staring them in the face.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:53 PM   #67
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Lets be realistic now you think someone who wants to shoot up a school is just going to change there mind because they have to leave their house to get a gun?

Teens often wouldn't have the connections to know where to go outside of the house to get a gun. Especially the bullied anti-social ones that are more likely to shoot up the place.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:56 PM   #68
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So you're saying:

Government makes something illegal, there will be less of it.

Yeah that checks out.

Actually yes, it does check out.

Do you know how much more prominent all the different drugs would be if they were legal and sold straight out of stores?
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:01 AM   #69
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Actually yes, it does check out.

Do you know how much more prominent all the different drugs would be if they were legal and sold straight out of stores?

How hard do you think it is to get drugs? Did you go to high school?

Do you know it's harder for minors to get Alcohol than Marijuana? Why do you think that is?

Also why do countries with more liberal drug laws not have much higher usage rates?

Everyone who wants to do drugs already is.

" However, the finding that marijuana use rates did not differ across countries is not consistent with the contention that prohibition-oriented policies deter use or that liberal marijuana policies are associated with elevated adolescent use. "
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790541/

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Teens often wouldn't have the connections to know where to go outside of the house to get a gun. Especially the bullied anti-social ones that are more likely to shoot up the place.
You can get guns over the internet without ever talking to someone.

Or in a lot of places you can just go talk to someone on a street corner.

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Old 08-16-2012, 12:12 AM   #70
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How hard do you think it is to get drugs? Did you go to high school?

Do you know it's harder for minors to get Alcohol than Marijuana? Why do you think that is?

Also why do countries with more liberal drug laws not have much higher usage rates?
You're comparing getting a little weed to getting an illegal rifle? What the fvck? Suburban kids dont sell guns. They never have and never will. All these 'massacres' that occur happen in areas where that type of illegal activity isnt present.

Selling Weed
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Selling guns

Selling uranium

Thats the differences in severity. People that sell illegal guns are in a whole different league. It's like comparing pop warner to the nfl
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:14 AM   #71
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How hard do you think it is to get drugs? Did you go to high school?

Do you know it's harder for minors to get Alcohol than Marijuana? Why do you think that is?

Also why do countries with more liberal drug laws not have much higher usage rates?

Everyone who wants to do drugs already is.

" However, the finding that marijuana use rates did not differ across countries is not consistent with the contention that prohibition-oriented policies deter use or that liberal marijuana policies are associated with elevated adolescent use. "
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790541/


You can get guns over the internet without ever talking to someone.

Or in a lot of places you can just go talk to someone on a street corner.

- Alcohol was way easier for people to get than weed at my school.

- Everybody who wants to do drugs already does? Not true. I would like to smoke a bit of marijuana, but I don't do it because of drug tests at work. If it became legal and didn't effect my job, then I would smoke it. I know I'm not the only one as well. Additionally, if people could smoke it out in the open like they can cigarettes, they would likely smoke it more often rather than just at home or parties.

- People can buy guns over the internet. But teens would need a credit or debit card from their parents first in order to buy online. Additionally, some of the kids would not want their parents to discover what arrived in the mail.

- The socially awkward kids that want to shoot up a place may not be willing to go talk to people on the street corner, and you won't find people on the street corner selling illegal shit in places outside of big cities.
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:15 AM   #72
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You're comparing getting a little weed to getting an illegal rifle? What the fvck? Suburban kids dont sell guns. They never have and never will. All these 'massacres' that occur happen in areas where that type of illegal activity isnt present.

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Selling uranium

Thats the differences in severity. People that sell illegal guns are in a whole different league. It's like comparing pop warner to the nfl

I'm starting to think that Milton guy is just trolling.
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:27 AM   #73
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- Alcohol was way easier for people to get than weed at my school.

- Everybody who wants to do drugs already does? Not true. I would like to smoke a bit of marijuana, but I don't do it because of drug tests at work. If it became legal and didn't effect my job, then I would smoke it. I know I'm not the only one as well. Additionally, if people could smoke it out in the open like they can cigarettes, they would likely smoke it more often rather than just at home or parties.

- People can buy guns over the internet. But teens would need a credit or debit card from their parents first in order to buy online. Additionally, some of the kids would not want their parents to discover what arrived in the mail.

- The socially awkward kids that want to shoot up a place may not be willing to go talk to people on the street corner, and you won't find people on the street corner selling illegal shit in places outside of big cities.
Credit card? no lol where are you getting this illegal arms dealers don't want credit cards.

I'm sorry but you're wrong you're just looking at your personal (rather odd) experiences , see the study.
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:30 AM   #74
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You're comparing getting a little weed to getting an illegal rifle? What the fvck? Suburban kids dont sell guns. They never have and never will. All these 'massacres' that occur happen in areas where that type of illegal activity isnt present.

Selling Weed
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Selling guns

Selling uranium

Thats the differences in severity. People that sell illegal guns are in a whole different league. It's like comparing pop warner to the nfl

So how is one different over and over I've been asking how the government can restrict access to something where it has failed completely at restricting access to everything else.

I've posted studies, shown examples, like Mexico where gun control is failing and you guys just ignore them.
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Old 08-16-2012, 01:36 AM   #75
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So how is one different over and over I've been asking how the government can restrict access to something where it has failed completely at restricting access to everything else.

I've posted studies, shown examples, like Mexico where gun control is failing and you guys just ignore them.


Do the US compare itself to Mexico?

The majority of the western world have less gun violence than the US and the majority of those countries have gun control.
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