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Old 08-15-2012, 03:09 PM   #31
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It started in college. Tebow became overrated at Florida so much so that he is credited with 2 titles, even though he was coming off the bench for gadget plays during the first title. It has to be frustrating to Chris Leak to have no one remember that it was you that reestablished Florida as a national power after the failure of The Zook Era.
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He didn't really do much in the way of great things. His team (remember he does play on a team with many other players) mainly beat bad/mediocre teams, and he didn't exactly play great. He didn't come close to earning great recognition. Probably the most overrated NFL player I can remember in quite some time. He did well to upset the Steelers in the playoffs, but he got waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much love last year.


he was a bigger overall threat than 3/4's of the QB's in the league. and to say he didn't do great things when he led a go nowhere team to the playoffs is nuts. sure their D played well and generally kept the scores low, but the offense was extremely conservative as well, in fact way too conservative but thats john fox for you, he was the same way in Carolina. teams that play that way will always emphasize their D, and give their Offensive players the least of opportunities where Tebow did a hell of a lot considering what he was given. not to mention the heart....he ran better than most FB's...
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he was a bigger overall threat than 3/4's of the QB's in the league.

He was closer to the opposite. How in the hell was he a bigger threat than most QBs? He was awful throwing the ball, which is the biggest part of being a QB. How many games did he complete over 50% of his passes? If he didn't suck so much in the first 3 quarters, then they wouldn't have had to had those 4th quarter comebacks. What happened when they played a good team? They got stomped by the Packers, they got demolished by the Lions and they got killed by the Pats. Hell, they even got crushed by a crappy Bills team.

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sure their D played well and generally kept the scores low, but the offense was extremely conservative as well, in fact way too conservative but thats john fox for you, he was the same way in Carolina.

What were they supposed to do, let Tebow throw it 40 times a game?
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He was closer to the opposite. How in the hell was he a bigger threat than most QBs? He was awful throwing the ball, which is the biggest part of being a QB. How many games did he complete over 50% of his passes? If he didn't suck so much in the first 3 quarters, then they wouldn't have had to had those 4th quarter comebacks. What happened when they played a good team? They got stomped by the Packers, they got demolished by the Lions and they got killed by the Pats. Hell, they even got crushed by a crappy Bills team.



What were they supposed to do, let Tebow throw it 40 times a game?

John Fox would waste almost every 3rd down if they didn't get a 1st by then, doing a obvious run. everyone knew he was running against stacked boxes because their playing calling and defensive based team mentality was never turn the ball over. conservative to a fault. he's that coach who will rather make the extremely obvious play throughout a whole game just so he takes less chances and relies on the D. its funny how people put it on Tebow when the play calling and whole mentality of that team was not to turn the ball over even if that means not giving your team chances to make plays. but when the game is on the line in the 4th he opens it up more giving tebow more opportunities and what happens? its partly tebow too since he's got that same mentality in his head to just throw it away if theres any risk at all, and it makes me laugh how much people exaggerate how bad his throwing is from a lot of his throwaways

he's not nearly as inept a thrower as people act, especially when he can always make plays to open things up with his feet like few QB's can. most QB's in the nfl are nowhere near the multi threat and rely so much on their oline's they're scrubs when theres too much pressure. the most important thing is tebow can learn to throw a whole lot easier than any of them will be able to run like him.
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John Fox would waste almost every 3rd down if they didn't get a 1st by then, doing a obvious run. everyone knew he was running against stacked boxes because their playing calling and defensive based team mentality was never turn the ball over. conservative to a fault. he's that coach who will rather make the extremely obvious play throughout a whole game just so he takes less chances and relies on the D. its funny how people put it on Tebow when the play calling and whole mentality of that team was not to turn the ball over even if that means not giving your team chances to make plays. but when the game is on the line in the 4th he opens it up more giving tebow more opportunities and what happens? its partly tebow too since he's got that same mentality in his head to just throw it away if theres any risk at all, and it makes me laugh how much people exaggerate how bad his throwing is from a lot of his throwaways

he's not nearly as inept a thrower as people act, especially when he can always make plays to open things up with his feet like few QB's can. most QB's in the nfl are nowhere near the multi threat and rely so much on their oline's they're scrubs when theres too much pressure. the most important thing is tebow can learn to throw a whole lot easier than any of them will be able to run like him.
wtf is wrong with you? Clearly you have no grasp on the game of football.
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wtf is wrong with you? Clearly you have no grasp on the game of football.

i'd be willing to bet i have a much better grasp of it, or anything i observe than you do...altho u do make a great argument

its also funny to me how Tebow gets dropped for Peyton, and now people think Tebow was some failure or got cut only someone like Peyton could've probably taken that job after what he did last year.
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This Tebow Hype has really gotten out of control. The way the media makes it out is like Tim Tebow is really clutch in the 4th quarter, the exact opposite of LeBron, is simply a hyperbole.

The most obvious fact people use as an argument, “the Broncos were 1-4 with Orton as quarterback and they went on a 7-1 run with Tebow as Quarterback.
But people are putting these records in perspective. Now I don't feel like going back and analyzing each game, but here's a summary on what happened during those games.

The 1-4 Period with Orton
- Lost 23-20 to a full strength Oakland Raider team with Kyle Orton throwing for 304 yards which contributed strongly to Denver being in the game.

- Won 24-22 against the Cincinnati Bengals who are certainly a solid football team this year, especially defensively(made the playoffs as well).

- Lost 17-14 to the Tennessee Titans.

- Lost 49-23 to the Green Bay Packers.

- Lost to the Chargers, pre-Chargers losing streak, Tebow came in at the end of that game during garbage time.


7-1 Period with Tebow:
- Beat Miami Dolphins, who were still winless at that time.

- Got blown out by the Detroit Lions in a game that Tim Tebow scored 2 touchdowns for the wrong team.

- Beat the Raiders who were missing their starting running back, starting quarterback, and had a starting quarterback who had just come off his couch and gave up 3 turnovers in the game.

- Beat the Kansas City Chiefs in a game that Tebow only completed 2 passes
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- Beat the New York Jets in a game that Mark Sanchez just handed to them on a platter.

- Beat the San Diego Chargers who were on a 5 game losing streak at that time.

- Beat the Minnesota Vikings who were without Adrian Peterson and quite simply can’t beat anyone. Christian Ponder was the QB ffs

- Beat the Chicago Bears who were without Jay Cutler, Matt Forte, and featured Marion Barber just giving the game away.

To sum it up, during that period, the Broncos basically got to feast on awful teams. The Lions were really the only team that was actually good during that period, and the Broncs absolutely got hammered.

Tim Tebow is white, a christian, a virgin. He played on a great college team. E

If Tim Tebow was an African American athlete who believed in the religion of Islam would he receive this type of admiration? If Tim Tebow was an Asian athlete would he receive this level of admiration if he was a believer in Buddhism?

Do you think his ethnicity/religion is a major part of all the hype? Absolutely.
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Tim Tebow is white, a christian, a virgin. He played on a great college team. E

If Tim Tebow was an African American athlete who believed in the religion of Islam would he receive this type of admiration? If Tim Tebow was an Asian athlete would he receive this level of admiration if he was a believer in Buddhism?

Do you think his ethnicity/religion is a major part of all the hype? Absolutely.
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Just to make it clear, I don't hate Tebow. I love that he actually believes what he preaches, even if I don't necessarily believe what he believes. He doesn't do it for show. He doesn't do it to look like a good Christian. He does it because that's who he is. And I respect that.*

Tebow's blind followers that know nothing about football are the problem.

Tim Tebow is a great athlete, doesn't have the best quarterback traits though. In fact I don't even think he's a true quarterback. Say if the Broncos draft personnel to tailor an offense to fit Tebow's ability (physical running game with occasional deep passing game), then he probably can be successful over the longhaul. But he'll still never be in the class of guys like Rodgers, Brees, Brady, and Eli as far as passing. But he does have other qualities that teams can with, if they fully commit to his style of play. But now since he's backuping Sanchez in New York...
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From Tebow to John Brantley. The pain still resonates within me.
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John Fox would waste almost every 3rd down if they didn't get a 1st by then, doing a obvious run. everyone knew he was running against stacked boxes because their playing calling and defensive based team mentality was never turn the ball over. conservative to a fault. he's that coach who will rather make the extremely obvious play throughout a whole game just so he takes less chances and relies on the D. its funny how people put it on Tebow when the play calling and whole mentality of that team was not to turn the ball over even if that means not giving your team chances to make plays. but when the game is on the line in the 4th he opens it up more giving tebow more opportunities and what happens? its partly tebow too since he's got that same mentality in his head to just throw it away if theres any risk at all, and it makes me laugh how much people exaggerate how bad his throwing is from a lot of his throwaways

he's not nearly as inept a thrower as people act, especially when he can always make plays to open things up with his feet like few QB's can. most QB's in the nfl are nowhere near the multi threat and rely so much on their oline's they're scrubs when theres too much pressure. the most important thing is tebow can learn to throw a whole lot easier than any of them will be able to run like him.

The problem is people like you who will throw out every excuse in the book to defend him because you bought way too much into all the attention he got. You want him to succeed so you overlook all of his faults and then endlessly praise him when he does something right. What happened in the games where Tebow had his 3 most pass attempts? Lost to the Lion 45-10, lost to the Bills 40-14, and they barely beat the Bears with Hanie at QB and Barber at RB.

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This Tebow Hype has really gotten out of control. The way the media makes it out is like Tim Tebow is really clutch in the 4th quarter, the exact opposite of LeBron, is simply a hyperbole.

The most obvious fact people use as an argument, “the Broncos were 1-4 with Orton as quarterback and they went on a 7-1 run with Tebow as Quarterback.
But people are putting these records in perspective. Now I don't feel like going back and analyzing each game, but here's a summary on what happened during those games.

The 1-4 Period with Orton
- Lost 23-20 to a full strength Oakland Raider team with Kyle Orton throwing for 304 yards which contributed strongly to Denver being in the game.

- Won 24-22 against the Cincinnati Bengals who are certainly a solid football team this year, especially defensively(made the playoffs as well).

- Lost 17-14 to the Tennessee Titans.

- Lost 49-23 to the Green Bay Packers.

- Lost to the Chargers, pre-Chargers losing streak, Tebow came in at the end of that game during garbage time.


7-1 Period with Tebow:
- Beat Miami Dolphins, who were still winless at that time.

- Got blown out by the Detroit Lions in a game that Tim Tebow scored 2 touchdowns for the wrong team.

- Beat the Raiders who were missing their starting running back, starting quarterback, and had a starting quarterback who had just come off his couch and gave up 3 turnovers in the game.

- Beat the Kansas City Chiefs in a game that Tebow only completed 2 passes
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- Beat the New York Jets in a game that Mark Sanchez just handed to them on a platter.

- Beat the San Diego Chargers who were on a 5 game losing streak at that time.

- Beat the Minnesota Vikings who were without Adrian Peterson and quite simply can’t beat anyone. Christian Ponder was the QB ffs

- Beat the Chicago Bears who were without Jay Cutler, Matt Forte, and featured Marion Barber just giving the game away.

To sum it up, during that period, the Broncos basically got to feast on awful teams. The Lions were really the only team that was actually good during that period, and the Broncs absolutely got hammered.

Tim Tebow is white, a christian, a virgin. He played on a great college team. E

If Tim Tebow was an African American athlete who believed in the religion of Islam would he receive this type of admiration? If Tim Tebow was an Asian athlete would he receive this level of admiration if he was a believer in Buddhism?

Do you think his ethnicity/religion is a major part of all the hype? Absolutely.

lol this is so one sided its laughable. you didn't mention any of Orton's red zone issues, didn't even bring up Tebows rushing at all, aren't accounting for why he got 2 throws just generalizing everything without the watching, that Miami team was much better by mid season than they were starting out, Bears had a top D all year, chargers and raiders were both very talented teams, and all you did was point out all of the bad and nothing about the good

its absurd to me how people try to reinvent what he did. he opened up so much if you watch with his threat to run every play, especially for Mcgahee. Receivers were wide open a lot since the DB's were expecting run 3/4's of the Broncos plays. even during Tebows scrambles a lot of them end up wide open. i guarantee you Orton wouldn't have won all or even most of those games. i think Orton is a good QB for the record, but Tebow gave them something real unorthodox that worked.
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The problem is people like you who will throw out every excuse in the book to defend him because you bought way too much into all the attention he got. You want him to succeed so you overlook all of his faults and then endlessly praise him when he does something right. What happened in the games where Tebow had his 3 most pass attempts? Lost to the Lion 45-10, lost to the Bills 40-14, and they barely beat the Bears with Hanie at QB and Barber at RB.


no i watched EVERY tebow game. it was must see TV like Lin was....its most of you that reinvent everything from stats, and don't account for Tebows throw aways or overall paranoia in playing all game until the 4th Qtr when they had to make plays and opened up the playbook. play the first 3 QTRs not to lose, and then open it up in the 4th if its close or they're losing. every game, that was their plan. then you all make up this idea of how its all Tebow sucking the first 3 Qtrs you all don't even account for the play it safe throw away fine line to putting it on the money. a QB afraid to throw int's will throw a lot of incompletions, just like Dilfer played for the SB Ravens. it doesn't mean he can't make a lot of those throws if he had less margin for error.

anyways his QB draws and handoffs opened up so much for their run game too where D's were regularly getting broke for big gains up the middle since they were so used to Tebow faking the handoff drawing, and then other times giving that handoff. they froze so many D's doing that, and things a lot of you don't seem to notice.
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no i watched EVERY tebow game. it was must see TV like Lin was....its most of you that reinvent everything from stats, and don't account for Tebows throw aways or overall paranoia in playing all game until the 4th Qtr when they had to make plays and opened up the playbook. play the first 3 QTRs not to lose, and then open it up in the 4th if its close or they're losing. every game, that was their plan. then you all make up this idea of how its all Tebow sucking the first 3 Qtrs you all don't even account for the play it safe throw away fine line to putting it on the money. a QB afraid to throw int's will throw a lot of incompletions, just like Dilfer played for the SB Ravens. it doesn't mean he can't make a lot of those throws if he had less margin for error.

LOL, at all the excuses. Nothing but excuses. "Oh, well they didn't really try in the first 3 quarters because they wanted to win it in the 4th quarter. Well, Tebow didn't complete more passes because he was playing it safe." It's Tebow's fault if he didn't have enough confidence to complete more passes. Also, as I pointed out, the Broncos didn't do very good in the games Tebow opened it up. The hell you bringing up Dilfer for? He completed nearly 60% of his passes the year they won the SB. And you called the Bears' 17th ranked defense a top D? Oh, and I like the part where you say people shouldn't use stats. Uh huh, stats are fine to use for any other player, but when it comes to Tebow? Nah, don't use stats because they, um, well, they're misleading...

Yeah man, we know they had a good running game. We're pointing out that their style worked against weak teams (though, all the games they did win were really close), but when they played good teams, they got smashed. Does that seem sustainable to you? I'll give them credit for upsetting the Steelers in the playoffs, but the grand praise for Tebow went waaaaay overboard. You'd think he was the only player on the Broncos the way they talked about him.
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