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Old 10-25-2012, 05:36 PM   #841
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Easy getting more goals playing more games, yeah
dont even try to compare someone playing in brazil in the 60s and someone playing right now in spain and in CL with basically two matches in a week without any rest

wilt chamberlain of football
the other guy is probably like pistol pete, which means both were great at their time but in this era they would be probably playing in some local teams at their home countries while doing two jobs to survive
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:40 PM   #842
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dont even try to compare someone playing in brazil in the 60s and someone playing right now in spain and in CL with basically two matches in a week without any rest

wilt chamberlain of football
the other guy is probably like pistol pete, which means both were great at their time but in this era they would be probably playing in some local teams at their home countries while doing two jobs to survive

That's a ridiculous comparison, Messi is arguably the best player, but in no way does he dominate. There was Wilt, and everyone else. There Is Messi, and Ronaldo, etc. he's not a clear number one despite your delusions.

Wilt Chamberlain put up numbered that are so far ahead of everyone else it was laughable. Are you 12? You worship this guy.
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:37 PM   #843
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Gerd Muller, arguably the most effective striker of all time, compared to Pistol Pete?

God, you're clueless.
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:42 PM   #844
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you aren't even catalan, why do you have so much pride for a country you have absolutely nothing to do with? It's worse than those dumbass americans who call themselves "Irish" or "Polish" when really their great great grandpa was polish and they themselves know nothing about their "homeland". You are 3 times worse than those people.

Haa Xavi still looks the same, awesome!

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Holy shit. Gerard Pique looks very similar to me when I was that young age. Except my hair was a lot lighter.

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Old 10-25-2012, 06:55 PM   #846
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dont even try to compare someone playing in brazil in the 60s and someone playing right now in spain and in CL with basically two matches in a week without any rest

wilt chamberlain of football
the other guy is probably like pistol pete, which means both were great at their time but in this era they would be probably playing in some local teams at their home countries while doing two jobs to survive
the lack of football and basketball knowledge in this post is mind-boggling
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:29 AM   #847
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you aren't even catalan, why do you have so much pride for a country you have absolutely nothing to do with? It's worse than those dumbass americans who call themselves "Irish" or "Polish" when really their great great grandpa was polish and they themselves know nothing about their "homeland". You are 3 times worse than those people.

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i can do whatever i want, in the meantime go kill yourself
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:30 AM   #848
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Gerd Muller, arguably the most effective striker of all time, compared to Pistol Pete?

God, you're clueless.
lots of goals/points in a weak era
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:35 AM   #849
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That's a ridiculous comparison, Messi is arguably the best player, but in no way does he dominate. There was Wilt, and everyone else. There Is Messi, and Ronaldo, etc. he's not a clear number one despite your delusions.

Wilt Chamberlain put up numbered that are so far ahead of everyone else it was laughable. Are you 12? You worship this guy.
In no way does he dominate? he scores 60-70 goals and 30+ assists while winning titles ( ok last year was exception, but look before that ) ...

There was Wilt and everyone else? You forgot about the guy with more rings than fingers? What could Wilt do about it? Nothing.
Shut up.
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:24 AM   #851
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hey i dont wanna take out something from them, they were obviously legends in their time, but if you wanna go that way and tell me more games means more goals then i can always go with the era argument. time changes, people improve, everyone can kick a ball nowadays, dunk, dribble with two hands
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:47 AM   #852
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hey i dont wanna take out something from them, they were obviously legends in their time, but if you wanna go that way and tell me more games means more goals then i can always go with the era argument. time changes, people improve, everyone can kick a ball nowadays, dunk, dribble with two hands

They would just as good and dominating as Ronaldo/Messi withh modern technology and knowledge
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:38 AM   #853
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There is no weak era in football. And arguing for example that the 70s was weaker than today is just foolish.

Johan Cruyff would dominate today like he did back then. No doubt
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:02 AM   #854
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If you compare teams/players from different eras, you have to take into account that the natural evolution of the sport (and especially of the physical training habits) makes the comparison questionable in itself.
Look at any football match even up to the '80s - early '90s, the average speed of the game was ludicrous compared to today. But this doesn't diminish the prowess and importance of the past stars one bit.
In order to make a true comparison you should leave out the context effect.
You should not wonder: "How would Cruijff fare today?", but: "How would a player with the technique, determination, work ethic, football intelligence that Cruijff had fare in today's football (with today's training practices and tactical habits)?"
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If you compare teams/players from different eras, you have to take into account that the natural evolution of the sport (and especially of the physical training habits) makes the comparison questionable in itself.
Look at any football match even up to the '80s - early '90s, the average speed of the game was ludicrous compared to today. But this doesn't diminish the prowess and importance of the past stars one bit.
In order to make a true comparison you should leave out the context effect.
You should not wonder: "How would Cruijff fare today?", but: "How would a player with the technique, determination, work ethic, football intelligence that Cruijff had fare in today's football (with today's training practices and tactical habits)?"
well the defensive tactics are way ahead now and its not very possible for the game to be so fast, except when its played by two crazy attacking teams ( it usually happens in the bundes league )
the 'smaller' teams now are afraid to attack and usually ruin the beauty of the game ( stoke for example or chelsea )

and we can never know how will players that played 30-40 years ago would fare now... i guess some GKs like yashin and very inteligent players like cruyff and maradona might be exceptions ( maradona though in todays society would get suspended all the time )
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