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Old 09-03-2012, 07:59 PM   #1
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Default Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

The best defensive + offensive thread kind of had me wondering. I know that for their respective positions, Jordan takes this hands down, but irrespective of the positions they play, I'm not so sure. Center just so happens to be the most important position from a defensive stand point.

I'm curious what others out there think about this comparison.
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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

Shaq. Compared to his 90s Center compatriots he's lazy and could have done so much more, but just from the position he played, how much room he just took up, and plays he changed just from being how big he was and being in the lane he was more of a game changer defensively than Jordan was.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:05 PM   #3
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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

Tough to say.. MJ in his prime wasn't even the best/most impactful perimeter defender on his team.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:31 PM   #4
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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

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Tough to say.. MJ in his prime wasn't even the best/most impactful perimeter defender on his team.

He was clearly the Bulls' best defender through the 1990 season, and even after that he was still arguably there best till his first retirement.
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Tough to say.. MJ in his prime wasn't even the best/most impactful perimeter defender on his team.

What do you consider to be MJ's defensive peak? I'm thinking 89-92
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:40 PM   #7
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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

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Tough to say.. MJ in his prime wasn't even the best/most impactful perimeter defender on his team.

Yes, he was. Pippen didn't become Jordan's equal as a defender until about 1993. People just think of Pippen being arguably the greatest perimeter defender ever (and he's at least in the discussion) and assume he was Jordan's equal or better as a defender during the 1st 3-peat despite Jordan still being in his athletic prime.

1st Bulls 3-peat Jordan was the team's best defender. 2nd Bulls 3-peat Pippen was the team's best defender.

As for this thread...the big man. You almost always go with a great defensive big man over a great defensive guard. If you look at something like All-Defensive teams, then sure, you'll think this is easily Jordan. It's not. 3-peat era Shaq was a very good defender who just happened to be playing in the Hakeem/Robinson/Dikembe/Ewing/Mourning transitioning to the Ben Wallace era.

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Yes, he was. Pippen didn't become Jordan's equal as a defender until about 1993. People just think of Pippen being arguably the greatest perimeter defender ever (and he's at least in the discussion) and assume he was Jordan's equal or better as a defender during the 1st 3-peat despite Jordan still being in his athletic prime.

1st Bulls 3-peat Jordan was the team's best defender. 2nd Bulls 3-peat Pippen was the team's best defender.

As for this thread...the big man. You almost always go with a great defensive big man over a great defensive guard. If you look at something like All-Defensive teams, then sure, you'll think this is easily Jordan. It's not. 3-peat era Shaq was a very good defender who just happened to be playing in the Hakeem/Dikembe/Ewing/Mourning transitioning to the Ben Wallace era.

I don't agree with anyone who thinks Jordan was the Bulls best defender through the first three peat. By 1991 Scottie Pippen had become the Bulls best defensive player, period.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:42 PM   #9
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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

shaq wasn't as good of a man to man defender but in terms of impacting the entire game, he's probably above jordan

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I don't agree with anyone who thinks Jordan was the Bulls best defender through the first three peat. By 1991 Scottie Pippen had become the Bulls best defensive player, period.
people tend to think jordan was the best at everything, he's overrated, no doubt the GOAT, but still
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I don't agree with anyone who thinks Jordan was the Bulls best defender through the first three peat.

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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

Jordan is better as a defender but position wise Shaq is more valuable defensively.
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I don't agree with anyone who thinks Jordan was the Bulls best defender through the first three peat. By 1991 Scottie Pippen had become the Bulls best defensive player, period.

It's very arguable at the least.
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Jordan is better as a defender but position wise Shaq is more valuable defensively.

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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

The obsession with centers have more impact -no matter what- is stupid.
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Default Re: Prime vs Prime, who was the better defender Shaq or Jordan?

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people tend to think jordan was the best at everything, he's overrated, no doubt the GOAT, but still

Actually, in some cases I find people having a hard time saying Jordan was better then some of the players that he's constantly compared to at one of those players' main strengths because they think it's too hard to say Jordan is literally better at everything when it is in fact at the very least arguable i.e. Pippen at defense, Lebron at passing, Lebron athletically, Wade at shotblocking, etc.

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