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Old 09-04-2012, 11:04 PM   #31
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:10 PM   #32
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:16 PM   #33
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:37 PM   #34
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:39 PM   #35
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Screw it, as much as I wanna vote Zeke, I'm voting Dirk. I'd be pissed if he wasn't in the top 25.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:50 AM   #36
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If there is one thing to learn from this list, it is the main trends in the opinions of the ISH posters.

I vote Mikan.
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:10 AM   #37
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I feel its between these guys here...


................D-ROB......DIRK......ISIAH....GARNETT....
MVP..............1............1............0...... .......1..........
FMVP............0............1............1....... .......0.........
CHAMP..........2............1............2........ ......1........
ROTY...........Yes.........No..........No......... ...No........
DPOY............1............0............0....... .......1........
1st All-NBA....4............4............3..............4. ........
1st All-Def.....4............0............0..............9 .........
All-Star........10..........11...........12........... .14.........


Isiah & Dirk had by far the better championship runs as D-Rob & Garnett were really not the best players in those championship teams nor were they that productive-dominant as Isiah & Dirk were in those championship playoff runs....

Meanwhile D-Rob & Garnett in their primes were probably better overall individual talents, especially defensively, the defensive accolades speak for themselves....

Close, but I am leaning towards Isiah & Dirk... if it has to be one of them then i say Dirk Nowitzki, he has 1 MVP compared to Isiah and i feel Dirk had a better playoff championship run especially with the competition he was facing...

I vote DIRK NOWITZKI...
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:13 AM   #38
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:19 AM   #39
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:20 AM   #40
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:26 AM   #41
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If there is one thing to learn from this list, it is the main trends in the opinions of the ISH posters.

I vote Mikan.

He had one EXTREMLY short career and the only tagged "NBA" accomplishments he has is 5 x BAA/NBA Championships, 1 x NBA All-Star MVP, 6 all-BAA/NBA, 4 x NBA allstar...... and his statistical totals were ridicilously low....... What about NBL accomplishments? Do we count that as the NBA before the merger? Does the fact of him being probably the first NBA pioneer give him a bonus, by how much? What about his era? So many questions, so little time....

Mikan is a very acquired subject, extremly mindbogling to value & rank correctly.... especially compared to players such as in this case Dirk, Robinson, Isiah, Garnett who have done nothing but strictly advancing NBA accomplishments in much longer NBA careers in a much more evolved & competitive era...

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Old 09-05-2012, 01:28 AM   #42
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He had one EXTREMLY short career and the only tagged "NBA" accomplishments he has is 5 x BAA/NBA Championships, 1 x NBA All-Star MVP, 6 all-BAA/NBA, 4 x NBA allstar...... his statistical totals were extremly low but his averages were fantastic....... What about NBL accomplishments? Do we count that as the NBA before the merger? Does the fact of him being probably the first NBA pioneer give him a bonus, by how much? What about his era? So many questions, so little time....

Mikan is a very acquired subject, extremly mindbogling to value & rank correctly.... especially compared to players such as in this case Dirk, Robinson, Isiah, Garnett who have done nothing but strictly advancing NBA accomplishments in much longer NBA careers in a much more evolved & competitive era...

Oh wow, all he did in the NBA was lead a team offensively and defensively to 5 NBA championships while being considered hands down the best player in the league for most if not all all of those runs?
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:30 AM   #43
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Oh wow, all he did in the NBA was lead a team offensively and defensively to 5 NBA championships while being considered hands down the best player in the league for most if not all all of those runs?

Exactly... thats all he did...

What about longevity and the accomplishments THAT gives? He has...

4 x NBA All-Star
6 x All-NBA team
1 x All-Star MVP

10-11000 pts
4000 rbs
1000 asts

Do we maybe count his NBL accomplishments as NBA before the merger?

I am no critic, for me its just extremly mindbogling to rank him correctly on my list....

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Old 09-05-2012, 01:40 AM   #44
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Exactly... thats all he did...

What about longevity and the accomplishments THAT gives? He has...

4 x NBA All-Star
6 x All-NBA team
1 x All-Star MVP

10-11000 pts
4000 rbs
1000 asts

Do we maybe count his NBL accomplishments as NBA before the merger?

I am no critic, for me its just extremly mindbogling to rank him correctly on my list....
Just for reference

Rebounds and the all-star game didn't start until the 1951 season.

No MVPs, no final MVPs. No defensive teams, no defensive player of the year award, only 1 all nba team. It makes his resume look much more bare than it would have been otherwise. Realistically you're looking at 3-4 MVPs, 4-5 Finals MVPs, a Rookie of the Year, 3 more all star games, some all defensive teams and possibly a DPOY to throw on top of that.

So something conservative like this(he could've had more MVPs but this is the bottom end of an estimate)

5 Championships
5 Finals MVPs
3 MVPs
6 All NBA Teams
6 All Defensive Team
1 Rookie of the year
6 All Stars
1 Defensive player of the year.

Also had killer instinct, he WANTED and NEEDED the ball in the closing moments. He'd will his team to win. You don't lead your team to 5 championships in 7 years in any era unless you've got killer instinct.


All while helping modernize the NBA, that's not top 20? Not to mention that's in 7 seasons...

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Old 09-05-2012, 01:50 AM   #45
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Exactly... thats all he did...

What about longevity and the accomplishments THAT gives? He has...

4 x NBA All-Star
6 x All-NBA team
1 x All-Star MVP

10-11000 pts
4000 rbs
1000 asts

Do we maybe count his NBL accomplishments as NBA before the merger?

I am no critic, for me its just extremly mindbogling to rank him correctly on my list....
Allstar teams were not selected until 1951
MVP awards were not awarded until 1956
Finals MVPs were not awarded until 1969

Mikan would have more Allstar selections, at least multiple MVPs, and 5 Finals MVPs.

With a resume like that, who cares about longevity.
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