#23 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[colts19]

Mikan

[longhornfan1234]

Isiah is not better than the Admiral. At no point was he even the best at his position, and the dude has a career PER of 18.1, offensive rating of 105.In 1990 the year Isiah won finals MVP he finished 4th in Total Win Shares on his team behind Laimbeer, Dumars, and Rodman. In fact he finished 4th in win shares in 1989 as well.That is nothing special in the slightest.

[BlackVVaves]

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234

Isiah is not better than the Admiral. At no point was he even the best at his position, and the dude has a career PER of 18.1, offensive rating of 105.In 1990 the year Isiah won finals MVP he finished 4th in Total Win Shares on his team behind Laimbeer, Dumars, and Rodman. In fact he finished 4th in win shares in 1989 as well.That is nothing special in the slightest.

I agree Robinson was a better player than Isiah, and should be ranked ahead of him (and typically is). However, using metrics like PER, offensive rating, and win shares is a disingenuous way to illustrate it.

Using PER or win shares especially should be banned from usage in compiling these All Time lists. The greats that we assess and contrast are greats for a reason - they have plenty of accomplishments and accolades and don't need a synthesized metric system to bolster their value.

[Optimus Prime]

Matt Geiger.

Seriously LeBron at #11 has turned this poll into more of a joke than it normally is.

[nycelt84]

George Mikan

[longtime lurker]

Once again. Isiah gets shafted in the all time rankings. No way he should be out of the top 20 and no way he's not better than Dirk.

[chips93]

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234

Isiah is not better than the Admiral. At no point was he even the best at his position, and the dude has a career PER of 18.1, offensive rating of 105.In 1990 the year Isiah won finals MVP he finished 4th in Total Win Shares on his team behind Laimbeer, Dumars, and Rodman. In fact he finished 4th in win shares in 1989 as well.That is nothing special in the slightest.

what are win shares?

and what is offensive rating?

[Freedom Kid7]

Isiah Frikkin Thomas, the greatest little man

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234

Isiah is not better than the Admiral. At no point was he even the best at his position, and the dude has a career PER of 18.1, offensive rating of 105.In 1990 the year Isiah won finals MVP he finished 4th in Total Win Shares on his team behind Laimbeer, Dumars, and Rodman. In fact he finished 4th in win shares in 1989 as well.That is nothing special in the slightest.

He played the same time as Magic, of course he won't be the best at that position during that time. And regarding the advanced stats, stats don't tell the whole story, and relying on advanced stats like win shares and Ortg sure isn't a good way to go about. I have no problem with David being higher than Zeke though

[KG215]

Originally Posted by Optimus Prime

Matt Geiger.

Seriously LeBron at #11 has turned this poll into more of a joke than it normally is.

Maybe if you keep bitching about it in each new thread it'll change.

[fpliii]

Originally Posted by chips93

what are win shares?

and what is offensive rating?

win shares are useless

offensive rating isn't bad, but you have to look at team ORtg (individual doesn't tell you anything) for the hub of the offense (almost always a PG); same with defensive rating...similarly, if you look at team DRtg for an anchor (center more often than not) it'll tell you a lot about his contributions

[ScalabrineStan]

Mikan

[rhythmic †hesis]

Mikan, come on.
Quit fantasizing about statistics and realize that the man DOMINATED his decade.

[rhythmic †hesis]

I personally would take Scottie Pippen and David Robinson before Isiah Thomas.

[Colbertnation64]

Mikan no doubt.

[kurple]

Originally Posted by rhythmic †hesis

I personally would take Scottie Pippen before Isiah Thomas.

then you can go **** yourself