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Old 09-07-2012, 08:44 PM   #31
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Can someone for the love of God please explain to me why they always claim you can't compare defensive ratings across eras but have absolutely no problem comparing offensive numbers derived against those defenses across eras?

Was it Jordan for which they changed the rules or was that Shaq? I don't seem to remember.
Considering defensive ratings require defensive stats to work and the fact they didn't keep track of steals blocks or defensive rebounds until the late 60's might have something to do with it.
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:45 PM   #32
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ive got shaq from 00-02.
This. You couldn't do anything to stop him.
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:46 PM   #33
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Considering defensive ratings require defensive stats to work and the fact they didn't keep track of steals blocks or defensive rebounds until the late 60's might have something to do with it.

individual defensive + DWS ratings yes, but team defensive ratings no

team defensive ratings are just points allowed per game adjusted for pace
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:49 PM   #34
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Can someone for the love of God please explain to me why they always claim you can't compare defensive ratings across eras but have absolutely no problem comparing offensive numbers derived against those defenses across eras?

Was it Jordan for which they changed the rules or was that Shaq? I don't seem to remember.

While Jordan was winning MVP's and championships, can you please tell us why Kobe was unable to crack the Lakers starting lineup?

I'll wait, foot. Thanks
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:51 PM   #35
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While Jordan was winning MVP's and championships, can you please tell us why Kobe was unable to crack the Lakers starting lineup?

I'll wait, foot. Thanks

is your pick Jordan, then?
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:51 PM   #36
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Jordan, of course. He is the overall GOAT so why is this even a question?
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:56 PM   #37
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is your pick Jordan, then?

I would say Jordan has the the best argument for GOAT. All-time peak is debatable. It's definitely between him and Shaq.

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Old 09-07-2012, 09:08 PM   #38
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Jordan with Shaq a close second but I'll go with MJ because stats aside, MJ did what few NBA people thought was possible, win without a dominant big. He won 6 freaking titles with Cartwright and Longley...perimeter players before Jordan weren't expected to lead a team to championships, it was considered a big man's game.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:08 PM   #39
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Jordan, of course. He is the overall GOAT so why is this even a question?

because there are other payers who for a short time were as dominant, if not more dominant than he was. It's a valid question.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:10 PM   #40
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individual defensive + DWS ratings yes, but team defensive ratings no

team defensive ratings are just points allowed per game adjusted for pace

I need to edit myself. They didn't keep track of individual defensive stats until 73-74

They had individual DWS going all the way back to who knows how long but not D ratings.

That was the question he asked why people don't respect defensive ratings across eras.

Defensive rebounds are used in possessions stats, which are used in creating d.ratings. that's why defensive ratings start in 73-74 when they started keeping track of the defensive stats.

So to me as a stat it's worthless across eras because there's a huge era not included.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:16 PM   #41
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I personally believe that Jordan's peak was somewhat shorter (89-90, 90-91, 91-92 is his absolute peak in my book), but it seems the consensus in this thread is that the rest of his years are too close to those three to leave them out

I agree. I'd say his absolute prime would be from 89-93, but 86-93 is probably the best seven season span of any player, and it's for that reason that I voted Jordan.

If we're talking best two seasons, I'd have Shaq and Wilt at the top, in that order.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:19 PM   #42
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Shaq.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:19 PM   #43
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While Jordan was winning MVP's and championships, can you please tell us why Kobe was unable to crack the Lakers starting lineup?

I'll wait, foot. Thanks

Kobe was a teenager and the Lakers starting SG was an all star.



Are you high? What does your question have to do with the topic or anything I posted in this thread?
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:20 PM   #44
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Jordan 87-93.

Was 99% as dominant as Shaq from 99-02, but over a 7 year span.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:23 PM   #45
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I need to edit myself. They didn't keep track of individual defensive stats until 73-74

They had individual DWS going all the way back to who knows how long but not D ratings.

That was the question he asked why people don't respect defensive ratings across eras.

Defensive rebounds are used in possessions stats, which are used in creating d.ratings. that's why defensive ratings start in 73-74 when they started keeping track of the defensive stats.

So to me as a stat it's worthless across eras because there's a huge era not included.

hm, I guess we're each entitled to our own opinions then

league average offensive rebound percentage is relatively constant in league history, so I believe their regression produces defensive ratings are within .25 when cross-validated to years for which there is data, which is more than fine for me

comparing them across eras may not be very useful in your opinion, but there's no harm in listing them so somebody has an idea of the average scoring climate
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