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Old 09-08-2012, 07:06 PM   #31
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The better question is why is the Republican's base of middle American poor-middle class people so in favor of making the rich richer? Do they really buy into the 'trickle down' nonsense that has been time and time again proven to be utter bullshit?

Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
it doesn't really make sense to me either, but it's easy to understand where that particular demographic comes from. as usual it's a matter of rhetoric. the right largely preaches slogans of individual responsibility. that's a personal philosophy of life that literally everybody you've ever met wholeheartedly believes in. and naturally so, you can't reliably depend on anything but yourself.

it's folks who buy into the idea that doubting the superlative validity of that sentiment, even to the slightest extent, is a breach of patriotism and individualism and f*cking personal free will of all things who tend to align themselves with a party that's clearly off the charts when it comes to that type of rhetoric on the one side and vitriol on the other.

it's not an expectation that the profiteers will suddenly drop every greedy inhibition they ever had and use their excess wealth to hire people who need jobs. it's a firm belief that jobs fall into the laps of people who pursue them. which is true... just only to an extent. and the difference between the republicans and democrats, at least on that most crucial economic issue, is between believing that's all that matters, and just believing that matters.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:45 PM   #32
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how can u destroy something that doesn't exist?



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Capturing Saddam in some foxhole was unprecedented.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:47 PM   #33
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Hey Patrick Chewing? How about his whole reason for starting the war in Iraq being the claim that Saddam Hussein had WMD and was tied to the Sept. 11 attacks?


Nobody in the administration claimed Saddam was part of the 9/11 attacks. The Iraq war was a means to an end. You beat up on somebody good enough like Saddam Hussein, that you hope the rest of the world cowers down.

The WMD thing was shady intel. However, Saddam had ample amounts of time to get these weapons out of the country if he indeed have them.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:54 PM   #34
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Capturing Saddam in some foxhole was unprecedented.
Going into a sovereign nation and overthrowing it's government based on a faulty premise was also unprecedented as well as ridiculously costly on several different levels. Bush was a terrible President.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:00 PM   #35
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Going into a sovereign nation and overthrowing it's government based on a faulty premise

And yet it's happened many times before.



Bush and Co. killed plenty of dirty no good terrorists and those that harbored them. And that's fine with me.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:03 PM   #36
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Nobody in the administration claimed Saddam was part of the 9/11 attacks.
Yeah, just ties to al Qaeda.
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A GOP congressional leader who was wavering on giving President Bush the authority to wage war in late 2002 said Vice President Cheney misled him by saying that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had direct personal ties to al-Qaeda terrorists and was making rapid progress toward a suitcase nuclear weapon, according to a new book by Washington Post investigative reporter Barton Gellman.

Cheney's assertions, described by former House majority leader Richard K. Armey (Tex.), came in a highly classified one-on-one briefing in Room H-208, the vice president's hideaway office in the Capitol. The threat Cheney described went far beyond public statements that have been criticized for relying on "cherry-picked" intelligence of unknown reliability. There was no intelligence to support the vice president's private assertions, Gellman reports, and they "crossed so far beyond the known universe of fact that they were simply without foundation."

Armey had spoken out against the coming war, and his opposition gave cover to Democrats who feared the political costs of appearing to be weak. Armey reversed his position after Cheney told him, he said, that the threat from Iraq was actually " more imminent than we want to portray to the public at large."

Cheney said, according to Armey, that Iraq's "ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear," had been "substantially refined since the first Gulf War," and would soon result in "packages that could be moved even by ground personnel." Cheney linked that threat to Hussein's alleged ties to al-Qaeda, Armey said, explaining that "we now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as al-Qaeda."

"Did Dick Cheney . . . purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" Armey said. "I seriously feel that may be the case. . . . Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:04 PM   #37
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And yet it's happened many times before.



Bush and Co. killed plenty of dirty no good terrorists and those that harbored them. And that's fine with me.
And apparently the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians dying is also fine with you. As is the fact that al Qaeda didn't have presence in Iraq until after we attacked their country sans provocation.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:32 PM   #38
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And apparently the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians dying is also fine with you. As is the fact that al Qaeda didn't have presence in Iraq until after we attacked their country sans provocation.
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And apparently the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians dying is also fine with you. As is the fact that al Qaeda didn't have presence in Iraq until after we attacked their country sans provocation.


hundreds of thousands? yeah right...

this isn't a world war.


even in a world war, hundreds of thousands of civilians dying is excessive.
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hundreds of thousands? yeah right...

this isn't a world war.


even in a world war, hundreds of thousands of civilians dying is excessive.
This is "excessive."

And not even slightly funny.

Plenty of people out there like you that simply have no idea what's going on though.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:12 AM   #41
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This is "excessive."

And not even slightly funny.

Plenty of people out there like you that simply have no idea what's going on though.


The problem is when you make a statement like that, and then post an article on it, the article actually sheds light on the true numbers. You can claim that over 100,000 Iraqi's have died, but you fail to mention that it's not a direct result of U.S. Forces. You have carbombs, bombings of police stations and academies. It's Iraqi on Iraqi violence that stems from a regime change. The same happened in Egypt, Libya, and is currently happening in Syria. To wag your finger and point it at Bush and the United States all the time is diluting the truth.
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The problem is when you make a statement like that, and then post an article on it, the article actually sheds light on the true numbers. You can claim that over 100,000 Iraqi's have died, but you fail to mention that it's not a direct result of U.S. Forces. You have carbombs, bombings of police stations and academies. It's Iraqi on Iraqi violence that stems from a regime change. The same happened in Egypt, Libya, and is currently happening in Syria. To wag your finger and point it at Bush and the United States all the time is diluting the truth.
The overwhelming majority of these deaths are the result of the chaos caused by eliminating their central government which lead to a civil war. Bush, as the "decider" that led us into this war, is responsible for the mess that has been made. Ignoring that fact is an act of intentional ignorance. If he doesn't mislead us into Iraq none of this happens. And that's why he is going down in history as a horrible President.

I posted the article to shed that light. That should be obvious.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:45 AM   #43
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This is "excessive."

And not even slightly funny.

Plenty of people out there like you that simply have no idea what's going on though.

so how many of those deaths were from american troops??

bush put down sadam which was a great accomplishment. im sorry if the followers to one of the worst dictators of our generation cause a lot of deaths. most of those death had nothing to do with us.
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Capturing Saddam in some foxhole was unprecedented.
it was a storm drain under a road i think. i could be wrong though.did u see his hanging video?
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it was a storm drain under a road i think. i could be wrong though.did u see his hanging video?


i saw the hanging video.

but it was obvious that thanks to bush's counter terrorist policies we found him.
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