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Old 09-25-2012, 12:02 PM   #826
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public were all over GB,

vegas wins again.
Damn...
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:09 PM   #827
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public were all over GB,

vegas wins again.
Vegas wins no matter what the call is, the spread is designed to get 50/50 of the money on each side and then they take 5%-10% of the winners earnings (the juice)
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:27 PM   #828
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Vegas wins no matter what the call is, the spread is designed to get 50/50 of the money on each side and then they take 5%-10% of the winners earnings (the juice)
yeah but the public, i.e. most bettors were slamming GB..vegas has sides they prefer to win/lose depending on where the majority of the action is tiddy.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:31 PM   #829
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yeah but the public, i.e. most bettors were slamming GB..vegas has sides they prefer to win/lose depending on where the majority of the action is tiddy.
How would you know that though?...every casino is different and even has different lines
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How would you know that though?...every casino is different and even has different lines
because ppl say gb @ either -3 or -3.5 and were like

i know that GB got slammed, simply based on public perception.
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because ppl say gb @ either -3 or -3.5 and were like

i know that GB got slammed, simply based on public perception.
but you know that line was created based on early bets right?...and then even adjusted later to try and get 50/50?

If they saw GB was getting slammed, the line would have changed more and more each day

They do whatever they can to get 50/50 of the moeny on each side of the bet, because Vegas doesn't like to gamble lol
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The NFL releases statement, supports the TD call, claims it was a simultaneous catch, but also says it should've been called offensive PI on Tate.

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In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

The result of the game is final.

Applicable rules to the play are as follows:

A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:

A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).

When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:36 PM   #833
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I know the NFL HAS to back it up, they have no choice...but my main complaint has always been the PI over the catch

the catch is subjective, BOTH FEET have to be down, and before Jennings feet hit the ground, Tate did have two hands on the ball...
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:37 PM   #834
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there were numerous bad calls leading up to that drive though...it was a horribly reffed game, I just don't think the actual catch part was the worst call...the other calls were worse
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:56 PM   #835
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i believe in the beginning of the catch, both had possession but then as both were landing, Tate took his right hand momentarily off the ball and that allowed Jennings to control more of the ball. Its a hard call to make in any kind of situation, much less at the end of the game that will decide the outcome. the regular officials would have blown it just as well.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:29 PM   #836
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What is wrong with "13th man"?

There's only 11 players on the field. Unless it's Canadian football.

Or maybe it was a reference to Seattle's 12th man, which would actually make that poster seem quite intelligent.
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:13 PM   #837
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i believe in the beginning of the catch, both had possession but then as both were landing, Tate took his right hand momentarily off the ball and that allowed Jennings to control more of the ball. Its a hard call to make in any kind of situation, much less at the end of the game that will decide the outcome. the regular officials would have blown it just as well.

This. People ignore this strong possibility
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There's only 11 players on the field. Unless it's Canadian football.

Or maybe it was a reference to Seattle's 12th man, which would actually make that poster seem quite intelligent.



The 12th man = The Seattle crowd

The 13th man = Refs

It really isn't hard to understand.
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The 12th man = The Seattle crowd

The 13th man = Refs

It really isn't hard to understand.

I must have missed the joke...

Anyway I'm hearing nothing but the ref thing today on the radio and such. I am tired of hearing about it now.
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I must have missed the joke...

Anyway I'm hearing nothing but the ref thing today on the radio and such. I am tired of hearing about it now.

Thing is, there isn't that much that can be discussed about the situation. A lot of the points made are repeated over and over. I won't be watching any sports programs for the next few days.
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