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Old 12-17-2012, 09:37 PM   #166
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It's relevant because Peterson is the same guy he was back when Favre when playing with them and he didn't put up great numbers. So there is literally no evidence to suggest any correlation between bad quarterbacks hampering great RB's or vice versa.

Please re-read that and then proceed to **** off.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:44 PM   #167
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I read it....there is PLENTY of evidence to suggest a bad QB hampers a RB, like defenses being able to load the box up.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:46 PM   #168
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Show some examples of a great RB being held back because he's playing with a poor quarterback.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:04 PM   #169
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If AP isn't the MVP, the NFL is a ****ing joke.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:04 PM   #170
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Show some examples of a great RB being held back because he's playing with a poor quarterback.
Any time a defense is able to load the box because of the offense having no pass game.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:09 PM   #171
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Any time a defense is able to load the box because of the offense having no pass game.

Yet that didn't stop MOJO from being the rushing leader last year. Hasn't stopped AP from challenging the all-time yards record. Hasn't stopped many many others from having fantastic years.

AP wasn't seeing many 8 or 9 man boxes with Favre.....yet had probably the worst full year of his career.

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Old 12-17-2012, 10:10 PM   #172
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Anytime teams constantly leave a safety in the box, it's hard to run the ball consistently unless you're great.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:18 PM   #173
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Adrian Peterson better be MVP. Seriously. When's the last time you heard of a RB carrying his team to possible playoff contention?

What Peterson is doing is nothing short of FREAKISH. Dude has more yards per carry than his QB has yards per pass! .

No 1,000 yd receiver to help him.

He is literally the Vikings offense.

Best RB in the league by far and my favorite NFL player not on the Giants
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:29 PM   #174
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Yet that didn't stop MOJO from being the rushing leader last year. Hasn't stopped AP from challenging the all-time yards record. Hasn't stopped many many others from having fantastic years.

AP wasn't seeing many 8 or 9 man boxes with Favre.....yet had probably the worst full year of his career.

It makes things harder for them with more in the box

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Old 12-19-2012, 06:02 PM   #175
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Context.

You can say "oh look, he's running against 8 or 9 men in the box!"

But then context happens:






And you see the type of formations they are running.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:05 PM   #176
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MVP will go to Manning. OPOY will go to Peterson. Comeback should go to Peyton, considering how he missed an entire year, but it doesn't really matter to me which wins it.

Brady gets nothing.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:21 PM   #177
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Context.

You can say "oh look, he's running against 8 or 9 men in the box!"

But then context happens:






And you see the type of formations they are running.

Damn

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yeah Carbine the Vieks went ONE WIDE the entire game


just google it, do some reading...they loaded the box gthe entire game

also, it means nothing in your arguement that a bad QB doesn't affect the RB at all
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:39 PM   #179
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Looks like he might have gotten those pics from this article http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ldschool-style

goes pretty in depth with the Vikes use of formations to help AP through the game

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Yet that didn't stop MOJO from being the rushing leader last year. Hasn't stopped AP from challenging the all-time yards record. Hasn't stopped many many others from having fantastic years.

AP wasn't seeing many 8 or 9 man boxes with Favre.....yet had probably the worst full year of his career.


It's one thing to lead the league in rushing, it's another to do it with over SIX YARDS PER CARRY. If he breaks the rushing record while maintaining his YPC than it'll be probably the greatest season of all time by a back. Do I think he wins the MVP? No. But does he deserve it? ABSOLUTELY. He's averaging more YPC than his quarterback is YPA.
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