#44 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Gary Payton was voted the #43 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.
16.3 PPG | 3.9 RPG | 6.7 APG
NBA Champion
NBA Defensive Player of the Year
9× NBA All-Star
2× All-NBA First Team
5× All-NBA Second Team
2× All-NBA Third Team
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team
1995-96 NBA steals champion
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#43 NBA Player Of All-Time Voting
9- Gary Payton
5- Elvin Hayes
3- Paul Pierce
2- Dennis Rodman
2- Paul Arizin
1- Sam Jones
1- George Gervin
1- Nate Thurmond
Re: #44 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
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Originally Posted by DaHeezy
Are you still on that shyt?
Where at any point has KJ achieved anything over Steve Nash?
What has Nash done that KJ hasn't? And I don't mean awards and sh*t which is all relative to who their competition is (Magic/Jordan vs. ???)
KJ turned around the Sun's franchise just like Nash did. And led them to 2 WCFs as the #1 player.
Let's talk about KJ's impact on the Sun's.
He helped turned the Sun's franchise around in his 1st full season in Phoenix.
1988: 28-54
KJ's 1st full season in Phoenix 1989: 55-27
WCF 1990: 54-28
WCF
Kind of like Nash's turn around. Right when KJ joins, they start winning. Now granted he had other teammates that joined as well. We'll get more to that in a second, but it was clear KJ was a major part of this turn around. Here is what Hornacek had to say
You were the player who guided a team and franchise out of bad times and into the power they are today. We would have never gone from 28 wins to 55 wins in one year without you, nor would the Suns have played for the championship without your leadership, play and dedication.
Also, in 1990 KJ had his most injury prone season of his peak. He missed 7 games. The Sun's record in those 7 games? 2-5. With him? 52-23. Also like Nash did in Phoenix, and also why both were considered the best. They were the center playmakers, elevating the games of the teammates, and the team struggled without them.
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Argh.... this is tough as hell... its basically like trying to pick between two twins or something, one brunette and one blonde... i am stuck between Nash, Hayes and Arizin...
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Originally Posted by GP_20
What has Nash done that KJ hasn't? And I don't mean awards and sh*t which is all relative to who their competition is (Magic/Jordan vs. ???)
KJ turned around the Sun's franchise just like Nash did. And led them to 2 WCFs as the #1 player.
Let's talk about KJ's impact on the Sun's.
He helped turned the Sun's franchise around in his 1st full season in Phoenix.
1988: 28-54
KJ's 1st full season in Phoenix 1989: 55-27
WCF 1990: 54-28
WCF
Kind of like Nash's turn around. Right when KJ joins, they start winning. Now granted he had other teammates that joined as well. We'll get more to that in a second, but it was clear KJ was a major part of this turn around. Here is what Hornacek had to say
You were the player who guided a team and franchise out of bad times and into the power they are today. We would have never gone from 28 wins to 55 wins in one year without you, nor would the Suns have played for the championship without your leadership, play and dedication.
Also, in 1990 KJ had his most injury prone season of his peak. He missed 7 games. The Sun's record in those 7 games? 2-5. With him? 52-23. Also like Nash did in Phoenix, and also why both were considered the best. They were the center playmakers, elevating the games of the teammates, and the team struggled without them.
So you're basically omitting 2MVPs, multiple NBA assist leader, greatest FT shooter of all-time, longer career at peak play, for an argument based on turning around a franchise and quotes?
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Ill go with Rodman. I think he's easy to undervalue because he wasn't the best at the area of the game people seem to gain the most joy from watching. He was however the best rebounder ever, and by far, and also at least one of the five best defenders ever by my estimation.
Re: #44 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
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Originally Posted by DaHeezy
So you're basically omitting 2MVPs, multiple NBA assist leader, greatest FT shooter of all-time, longer career at peak play, for an argument based on turning around a franchise and quotes?
Do you have any argument that doesn't stand on the fact that Nash didn't play with Jordan, Magic, and Stockton? (there goes your MVPs and assist titles) like KJ did? Nash's career high in assists is 11.6, KJ's is 12.2. And KJ did not win an assist title for that.
So really what did Nash do that was so impressive in his career? I thought turning around franchises was one of the, you want to name something? Clutch playoff performances? Amazing numbers? KJ has done each of those.
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Originally Posted by GP_20
Do you have any argument that doesn't stand on the fact that Nash didn't play with Jordan, Magic, and Stockton? (there goes your MVPs and assist titles) like KJ did? Nash's career high in assists is 11.6, KJ's is 12.2. And KJ did not win an assist title for that.
So really what did Nash do that was so impressive in his career? I thought turning around franchises was one of the, you want to name something? Clutch playoff performances? Amazing numbers? KJ has done each of those.
No mention of Johnson's team having a pace roughly 10% higher than Nash's team? Interesting...
Oh, and awards are useless to compare because they depend on your competition, but wins are fine to compare...what, they don't depend on your competition?
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Originally Posted by GP_20
Do you have any argument that doesn't stand on the fact that Nash didn't play with Jordan, Magic, and Stockton? (there goes your MVPs and assist titles) like KJ did? Nash's career high in assists is 11.6, KJ's is 12.2. And KJ did not win an assist title for that.
So really what did Nash do that was so impressive in his career? I thought turning around franchises was one of the, you want to name something? Clutch playoff performances? Amazing numbers? KJ has done each of those.
Playing in the Jordan era doesn't mean shyt. KJ wouldn't win it in the Shaq, Duncan, Kobe era either. Not to mention that you're comparing eras where all statistics are down. Use your head. You really believe KJ would average 12.2 assists in today's NBA?
#44 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
