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Old 09-27-2012, 04:47 PM   #91
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Default Re: Eli manning is the best QB in football.

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I don't care how many tipped passes you had. If you had poor mechanics on the throw or put the ball in the wrong spot (accuracy or read wise) then the QB is at fault.

I think every quarterback would love to have the ability to use proper mechanics on ever throw, but that's not realistic in the NFL.

Sometimes the pocket collapses, pressure is coming and you need to get rid of the ball. You do that whichever way you can without throwing blatant picks.

As long as the ball arrives in a catch-able area. That's all that matters.
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:41 PM   #92
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Eli is without a doubt in my book a top 5 QB (to others perhaps top 6, anything lower and you're clearly a hater).

Might as well get the fvck over it already.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:23 PM   #93
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This is the shittiest argument to use against a QB ever. Should we take Joe Montana down a notch because he played with Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Roger Craig, and Ronnie Lott?

First, learn to read. Second, yes.

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So did Brett Favre, and he is considered one of the best of all time.

Favre got a lot of criticism for being inconsistent, but some in here think Eli is somehow above that.

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Old 09-29-2012, 04:33 PM   #94
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Default Re: Eli manning is the best QB in football.

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Lets have a person who actually watched Giant football for that entire 2010 comment on that situation?

It was clear and can be stated with no exaggeration at all that the majority of those interceptions were from tipped balls that hit off the receiver. He didn't play as bad as the interception numbers suggest.

Then, there's this lame argument. Every interception is someone else's fault and all the interceptions that were dropped are all completely forgotten because we have to make the QB look as good as possible. These things tend to even out if not go in favor of dropped interceptions. Yeah, I know, Eli overthrows the ball, but because the receiver got a fingernail on it, it's all the receiver's fault for the pick. Receiver bails Eli out = Eli gets all credit; Receiver doesn't bail Eli out = all the receiver's fault.

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Old 09-29-2012, 04:46 PM   #95
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What are you talking about. We had one of the worst defenses in the league last year. The giants were winning shoot outs. And I won't knock Nicks or Cruz but receivers are nothing without their QB playing well. Eli overcame a crappy Run game, Crappy o line, and crappy defense for most of the season. We couldn't even stop Vince young. Lol

Go watch Eli throwing the ball up for grabs into double coverage with his receivers pulling TDs out of their asses. Cruz had a 99 yd TD reception, but you probably want to give all the credit to Eli, right? Cruz turned what probably should have been picks into TDs (not that 99 yarder, but other ones).

Not that I'd expect New Yorkers to be unbiased in this type of discussion...
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:15 PM   #96
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Every throw has context. That's the bottom line.

If a guy throws into double coverage, it's usually a bad mistake regardless of the outcome. But if the context is 3rd and 10 at the 45 yard line, and you throw into double coverage into the endzone....that pick is way more understandable than a pick on 1st and 10 on your own 20 throwing into double coverage 50 yards down the field.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:24 PM   #97
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Then, there's this lame argument. Every interception is someone else's fault and all the interceptions that were dropped are all completely forgotten because we have to make the QB look as good as possible. These things tend to even out if not go in favor of dropped interceptions. Yeah, I know, Eli overthrows the ball, but because the receiver got a fingernail on it, it's all the receiver's fault for the pick. Receiver bails Eli out = Eli gets all credit; Receiver doesn't bail Eli out = all the receiver's fault.

Man watch that video posted before. The tipped intos weren't off balls that were too high or misplaced.

Sure he threw intos that were overthrown balls but those weren't tipped.

The tipped ones hit right off the hands of the receivers.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:12 AM   #98
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Go watch Eli throwing the ball up for grabs into double coverage with his receivers pulling TDs out of their asses. Cruz had a 99 yd TD reception, but you probably want to give all the credit to Eli, right? Cruz turned what probably should have been picks into TDs (not that 99 yarder, but other ones).

Not that I'd expect New Yorkers to be unbiased in this type of discussion...
Lol that's every QB in the league. I'm not gonna look back at every play and take away the YAC on every throw Eli made, Brady had that happen too. Rodgers definitely. ELI threw for Barden for 100 yards and is making Bennett look like an all pro. So obviously it's not just the receiver talent that makes Eli effective. Regardless of all that, I like ELI at number one cause of his 4TH quarter play. Not stats.
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:24 PM   #99
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Man watch that video posted before. The tipped intos weren't off balls that were too high or misplaced.

Sure he threw intos that were overthrown balls but those weren't tipped.

The tipped ones hit right off the hands of the receivers.

I saw a number that were high and/or behind the receiver.
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Right now its Matty Ice
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:51 PM   #101
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4 games and your calling him the best? Cause last I saw him was in the playoffs and he had 0 points....
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Old 09-30-2012, 05:25 PM   #102
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Right now Matt is playing the best, but that doesn't mean he is the best. I don't think anyone has him in the upper tier of quarterbacks.
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4 games and your calling him the best? Cause last I saw him was in the playoffs and he had 0 points....

I said right now. I shall wait to see Rodgers and Eli's games tonight to back my statement. Although I doubt we are going to see them do what Matt did today.
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:12 PM   #104
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Right now Matt is playing the best, but that doesn't mean he is the best. I don't think anyone has him in the upper tier of quarterbacks.

He's beaten 3 AFC West teams, and needed a desperate comeback to beat the Panthers IN ATLANTA. He's not playing the best. He's playing a soft schedule.
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:28 PM   #105
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He's beaten 3 AFC West teams, and needed a desperate comeback to beat the Panthers IN ATLANTA. He's not playing the best. He's playing a soft schedule.

Who's playing better?
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